From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIMWL_WL_MED,WEIRD_PORT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id aa00667e for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 06:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9DCE7A1B0B; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:32:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08F2A1A28; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:32:12 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gravier-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@gravier-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b=dqld7Nge; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E2C9FA1A28; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:32:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io0-f193.google.com (mail-io0-f193.google.com [209.85.223.193]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B210A1A25 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:32:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io0-f193.google.com with SMTP id l7-v6so5085103iok.6 for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 23:32:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gravier-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cWqiErfSIBuAg/slk7xZyYudCRR5wqO0jLByBkIkWRQ=; b=dqld7Ngev2WjVpWxE0rLS0NBvLjlmPy5Rgyapd6FkzfDOA/hNQAart14hmWDmbp9vl QMLltw2zryoxbaBb7lMEAeycwolK70nXTRq4M+TNWXAVGxlyKjJPTXgi3aE54cdVoeex gm7Ln0YfUNjG2p+JqJf6OJtRsxO3auW2nf2qf3+E3+Bvb9CRl1+DuiVwTUngP5ACpQt7 18iRSJa/1fA7jvMFToOsXlUYO421RPxz+gBxSar69oJsUkv5rwjjaM6OMvUVZ5WhNRCv Qk4zTUGB8185PYCJogzfYmcq2bQwTyVi99QAZeSnSJ79sD6epv5KdmlOuz0lQtDYcd8f mw5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cWqiErfSIBuAg/slk7xZyYudCRR5wqO0jLByBkIkWRQ=; b=Sk4g4Yk1q7+v5hioTJj7pcD9kHy/4nLukPQTByH/eIDFUovVe2pydeMYWruFr0nzOm 8RLLqATtwYvTb8PjB1MtTGqVu/T//6Hlki7tDmQ7ZJar9uophxGD504SCd8RMEz9nU5g zEJ0Y8ipenC9T1lX0S5VytGM5PMtdGZKziQlVw4C8DuKeN73HUMlgH2guyftM8DdxIXr hwEs7vZVLp4JnlUrMUo7R9RxZFfru8tqv2tW56F9QeI0Tw62rcrbR6wJvqhNygUKFEZB 2TJF2u8X+kVHihAJQ6zYfi4aNQ22sJUIOhXQZ4w4tt6s4t7WpdnfXb1Qc6dc+Z0hlWWP rNqg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51AohqcImwJNGA/tGZEhQKFNGPOMtkRETopndWJcdur20UuWYYsG 3+6DSQHvh2kxXLNbTm85zg1Qn2AdmvMZoy/07coAhw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdbLHRS+JrnOpT7y2Z2wXqGBNMghZ8a3O5Hw4e1GNqT67EhP3xsFOMCupsMJIdQjsvNmbje715tiQdDucV4nPH8= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:ba86:: with SMTP id k128-v6mr24453281iof.170.1536129126459; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 23:32:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180830213407.6DC4718C0A6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <20180831213451.r7LAj%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> <20180831215854.GB28971@mcvoy.com> <7ed51612-82d7-90ca-ceaf-37b0c869ff93@kilonet.net> <20180901221933.GA2214@thunk.org> <20180902194301.GA22518@thunk.org> In-Reply-To: From: Gilles Gravier Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:31:52 +0200 Message-ID: To: Henry Bent Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e997e5057519eeb8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] SunOS code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000e997e5057519eeb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Henri, you're in copy of this again, because first time I did a Reply instead of Reply to list/all. Sorry.) Le mar. 4 sept. 2018 =C3=A0 19:45, Henry Bent a = =C3=A9crit : > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 13:40 Gilles Gravier wrote: > >> This link : >> https://vetusware.com/download/SunOS%20Source%20Code%204.1.3/?id=3D13475 >> seems to have the right file (registration required, but it's free, use = a >> disposable email). >> >> Beats my having to find a SCSI adaptor, a QIC-150 drive, and trying to >> read my old QIC-150 tape with the source code on it... >> >> Gilles >> > > I feel like we've been through this before on this list, but perhaps it > bears repeating: just because you can find source (or binaries, or CD > images, etc.) on the internet, that doesn't make it the least bit legal. > That is clearly the case here. Sadly, there are even higher profile sites > like the Internet Archive that have this problem too. The concept of > "abandonware" has no legal footing whatsoever. > > -Henry > Oh I definitely know the sources aren't officially accessible. By the way, I had copies of them (my QIC tape) when I was a student. I still have the QIC. It's the common example that I use to tell people that opensourcing software makes it more secure because the good guys have access to the source code at the same time as the bad guys, which gives them a fair chance to fix bugs before the bad guys use them. With closed source (SunOS, VMS...) the good guys don't have access to the source code... but the bad guys will always (either by paying somebody enough to make a copy for them, or by finding them on some non legitimate place). As a student I had the source of SunOS (4.1.3) but also VMS (on a few TK-50 tapes). For me, that vetusware site is certainly not legitimate... but since I have the QIC tape at home, I just used it as an easy alternative to having to get the hardware to read my tape back in working order... I certainly do not consider it a legally approved way of distributing code which is, as we all agree, NOT open source. Gilles --=20 *Gilles Gravier* - Gilles@Gravier.org GSM : +33618347147 and +41794728437 Skype : ggravier | PGP Key : 0x8DE6D026 --000000000000e997e5057519eeb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(Henri, you're in copy of this again, because fir= st time I did a Reply instead of Reply to list/all. Sorry.)

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Le=C2=A0mar. 4 sept. 2018 = =C3=A0=C2=A019:45, Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:


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On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 13:40 Gilles Gravier <gilles@gravier.org> wrot= e:
This link :=C2=A0https://v= etusware.com/download/SunOS%20Source%20Code%204.1.3/?id=3D13475 seems t= o have the right file (registration required, but it's free, use a disp= osable email).

Beats my having to find= a SCSI adaptor, a QIC-150 drive, and trying to read my old QIC-150 tape wi= th the source code on it...

Gilles

I feel like we've been through this before on this list, but perhap= s it bears repeating: just because you can find source (or binaries, or CD = images, etc.) on the internet, that doesn't make it the least bit legal= . That is clearly the case here. Sadly, there are even higher profile sites= like the Internet Archive that have this problem too.=C2=A0 The concept of= "abandonware" has no legal footing whatsoever.

-Henry

Oh I definitely know the sources are= n't officially accessible. By the way, I had copies of them (my QIC tap= e) when I was a student. I still have the QIC.

It's = the common example that I use to tell people that opensourcing software mak= es it more secure because the good guys have access to the source code at t= he same time as the bad guys, which gives them a fair chance to fix bugs be= fore the bad guys use them.

With closed source (Su= nOS, VMS...) the good guys don't have access to the source code... but = the bad guys will always (either by paying somebody enough to make a copy f= or them, or by finding them on some non legitimate place). As a student I h= ad the source of SunOS (4.1.3) but also VMS (on a few TK-50 tapes).

For me, that vetusware site is certainly not legitimate..= . but since I have the QIC tape at home, I just used it as an easy alternat= ive to having to get the hardware to read my tape back in working order...<= /div>

I certainly do not consider it a legally approved = way of distributing code which is, as we all agree, NOT open source.
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Gilles

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