From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25774 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2022 01:48:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 Jan 2022 01:48:55 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 662449D025; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 11:48:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE659CFC9; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 11:48:40 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="TRhFZOXm"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DFC8C9CFC9; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 11:48:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-f43.google.com (mail-pj1-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 802B29C78F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 11:48:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-f43.google.com with SMTP id oa15so1974754pjb.4 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 17:48:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=u0Lagn2sGMoPXPYhQzgDzVI5QT9DpqNwk9maxfoxv0U=; b=TRhFZOXmGFtADOxDy7HT3SPnapT5qVIiMQ/eUFEZOG4HAf/T7x1/mvW+oGtg088dZB LEao/RhfBXGdp3FN7lGM+emhS27UiW9q7XwaFsHDcNpMW7rLCrWEnIdzHAjrFjJBm+FG Yfyi+/QPiufhRJuYLZEg7gLsTw8xr+YWcZJYUv8sInEzJdYTr7KBgzCdy6VtPRe6VkE1 zxjR8NnA2i2G0y/oOQMCxknIptBDaHSpd2jmleZZ75m6ZlEOur9y2TTe5BJYt7Lo/tmQ i1Rt7tvf9HRVf2Efc93gizW9lidxLwBOktzJRzhTF8LVhwaTHDFcjf6S5Zrhx/QXGgYe MbwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=u0Lagn2sGMoPXPYhQzgDzVI5QT9DpqNwk9maxfoxv0U=; b=i8dZIsXCxpgsdnem2MdYMMStvTqrZCJ22URWgb1fl2ZjqQo8UdGguUyq8j8kcl2qyS 8FDKFKAXsRHO/btVVh0d8bZnbhxaH5pynmxjxVi1GG6hfkaNWdOIitJU60s8twh+Tix4 qNpY+h5UOlEClpoLrALehaoENrUHJngQn8V7GVQnUJq3uTZAsf8D7zq7Q63ZvIxYZb6Q 54vuveH9B+KruYUArX14z222zbl88+nUwIo4XNa/nW14QFBSJc4KK7Py91N/5lABvfhT HcyzJYHon0Wjel0kHJXVk8N5BheOF6zAFDpEQuYeaB6HCTVMcwAjNATp5MKST5pTLDrE l8fQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531n5u60vOnLg0xGFZyct2HyLiIwDTpSJL6K/gkPKuCf6TzUriWf NkUQPZtnV09eKG41FouZdyS5Dd316bPsurek8MG18gqf X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwKzbz/kMnYc1m0hgsWG3tnAtBi/K80+O1V3fR5OEN3TZCkw3IR2Xpuk9J1PugIQhLE+fWmf8+uwI5Ni+fw2ik= X-Received: by 2002:a63:7b4d:: with SMTP id k13mr4327188pgn.384.1641952117024; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 17:48:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20211231234039.GU31637@mcvoy.com> <20220101005605.GL75481@eureka.lemis.com> <20220101031511.GB8135@mcvoy.com> <202201120006.20C06iEA2363576@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <202201120006.20C06iEA2363576@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Blake McBride Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 19:48:26 -0600 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ac6c3e05d558c404" Subject: Re: [TUHS] TeX and groff (was: roff(7)) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000ac6c3e05d558c404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 6:07 PM Jon Steinhart wrote: > Blake McBride writes: > > I suppose #4 was my whole point about both TeX and troff. They're both > > great tools. Perhaps people used them in the past because there weren't > > many other solutions. You had to learn them. These days people prefer > the > > simpler tools such as Word, OpenOffice, etc. Although they can't produce > > the same quality, they can produce sufficient quality with a smaller > > learning curve. Don't get me wrong, I despise Word. I just don't find > my > > feelings echoed very much. Some things TeX and troff are going to need > in > > order to continue: > > I disagree with your characterization that things like Word are simpler > tools. > They're way more complex than troff or TeX, both in code and usability. > We'll have to agree to disagree. --blake --000000000000ac6c3e05d558c404 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 6:07 PM Jon S= teinhart <jon@fourwinds.com>= wrote:
Blake Mc= Bride writes:
> I suppose #4 was my whole point about both TeX and troff.=C2=A0 They&#= 39;re both
> great tools.=C2=A0 Perhaps people used them in the past because there = weren't
> many other solutions.=C2=A0 You had to learn them.=C2=A0 These days pe= ople prefer the
> simpler tools such as Word, OpenOffice, etc.=C2=A0 Although they can&#= 39;t produce
> the same quality, they can produce sufficient quality with a smaller > learning curve.=C2=A0 Don't get me wrong, I despise Word.=C2=A0 I = just don't find my
> feelings echoed very much.=C2=A0 Some things TeX and troff are going t= o need in
> order to continue:

I disagree with your characterization that things like Word are simpler too= ls.
They're way more complex than troff or TeX, both in code and usability.=

We'll have to agree to disagree.

--blake
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