From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18358 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2020 15:09:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Aug 2020 15:09:29 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AF1F19CAA7; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 01:09:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C044D9C9E3; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 01:08:47 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="r5+bkhTh"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9173A9C9E3; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 01:08:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-f52.google.com (mail-ua1-f52.google.com [209.85.222.52]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DF2393DFC for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 01:08:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f52.google.com with SMTP id o25so10574699uar.1 for ; Sat, 01 Aug 2020 08:08:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ZwNhOKSnBufb/2/fB6umK7LCOy51ieCPbtZWCfRW8Hs=; b=r5+bkhThzJvX+fFsqzhFLjIb1pH2CtRRm5fdnaMkU4c5fN7H0JoxLbu6LPuDoimuLU p3Kr+3IUoQjL80Tb5LQVAgxmCC3IzoNe9Oxz083fff9MxwIRRLRMf/ClsWM6bli6zgCV shy4rQ9ftJlA32P0PeUsRmPbrIw3C/lHJ6HWDCp3f8o/DuYC9H+5x/C4+UUMRKAuWGUc dr4k6QnBCNN46FIpHbzw/+T+lj7YVsxdUpE/Sc6FXt6IT+khmt9CnVXe1xrTlQIbKEYr 3j7UeY/dbS/cgbqnJlfKSUZRyMsgBt50XiTfhqORr0e7oal2bDdQxBzruRe9G/x7R2n8 h7OQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZwNhOKSnBufb/2/fB6umK7LCOy51ieCPbtZWCfRW8Hs=; b=JgM5/HrfV1teXtAD/VS9ajBEsU596rEwY2NI1xEL7YvvrHapaaSkheNfr8EpN1iUKy 03+pTSvwF/VoJOvAj2IGJHw6UZQAWyrx7m/Ig/iUYz7TlWI3SJMOLtbVAlLi1oRDQh/5 iX2Uxu6J9dakoBpqc25PCY3NLJ4fI03U0J1xyj8OK8KXdfN7dEcgdETWomRQzA5FMH/d izH14gsHrLe8N5WkJfCVvOSgBkCq5jruuXFyK8zbht+ZHdr8DB4Hv3e+x8GWhmFPDiOs cLnkiHMt9kEKj6ZxX1LrLtHkITwhj459AMsJn8MQsu2qSZbT6v8nG7S/4Nq1ziXADbRY cdZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533Gu2vGBsX/Tk12ZObIpUUZxsO/eXHEqkbWk6dL2IJg/FT8L3Ai D/wWD84fjsG35t/izeQsVdAWs9DC4NzTgPj058lo7PPV X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxp1rsjI8cA5RtJEidU/sMpTbOoyDNu7Wkt1uCW/dcYnkDnnHM2A8EXh435PX9rLUSfJ3OcL2msmpv1TLwBIU8= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:49c6:: with SMTP id f6mr6141346uad.106.1596294522432; Sat, 01 Aug 2020 08:08:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202007310003.06V03OoV073870@chez.mckusick.com> <1k1lj2-7nP-00@marmaro.de> <20200801141310.GQ10778@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20200801141310.GQ10778@mcvoy.com> From: "John P. Linderman" Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 11:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f76f3905abd24766" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Dennis Ritchie's Dissertation X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Unix Heritage Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000f76f3905abd24766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The use of honorifics was subtly discouraged at the Labs. I never saw a policy statement, but nobody I knew used "Dr" (except those in the medical department), even though the place was crawling with doctoral degrees. On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:14 AM Larry McVoy wrote: > On Sat, Aug 01, 2020 at 09:14:36AM +0200, markus schnalke wrote: > > Hoi. > > > > [2020-07-30 20:30] Dan Cross > > > > > > I understood from Mike Anshel that he was rather proud of this, [...] > > > > I once read that someone is famous when people omit the titles, > > because they add nothing to the name, but rather would smaller it. > > A good example is Albert Einstein. Who cares what titles he has. > > > > Another is Dennis Ritchie. What does it matter what degrees, titles, > > whatever he has? -- He's already a genius! > > My dad wasn't famous, but he had a PhD in physics. He never asked people > to call him Dr McVoy. As we grew up and realized he could be called that > we asked him why not. He said it sounds fancy, the only time he used it > was when he wanted a table at a crowded restaurant (which was very rare, > Madison didn't pay him very well). > > Somehow that stuck with me and I've always been sort of wary of people > who use their title. The people I admire never did. > > Someone on the list said that they thought Dennis wouldn't appreciate > it if we got his PhD official. I couldn't put my finger on it at the > time, but I agreed. And I think it is because the people who are really > great don't need or want the fancy title. I may be over thinking it, > but Dennis does not need the title, it does nothing to make his legacy > better, his legacy is way way more than that title. > > Which is a long ramble to say I agree with Markus. > --000000000000f76f3905abd24766 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The= use of honorifics was subtly discouraged at the Labs. I never saw a policy= statement, but nobody I knew used "Dr" (except those in the medi= cal department), even though the place was crawling with doctoral degrees.<= /div>

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:14 AM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 01, 2020 at 09:14:36AM +0200, markus schn= alke wrote:
> Hoi.
>
> [2020-07-30 20:30] Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
> >
> > I understood from Mike Anshel that he was rather proud of this, [= ...]
>
> I once read that someone is famous when people omit the titles,
> because they add nothing to the name, but rather would smaller it.
> A good example is Albert Einstein. Who cares what titles he has.
>
> Another is Dennis Ritchie. What does it matter what degrees, titles, > whatever he has? -- He's already a genius!

My dad wasn't famous, but he had a PhD in physics.=C2=A0 He never asked= people
to call him Dr McVoy.=C2=A0 As we grew up and realized he could be called t= hat
we asked him why not.=C2=A0 He said it sounds fancy, the only time he used = it
was when he wanted a table at a crowded restaurant (which was very rare, Madison didn't pay him very well).

Somehow that stuck with me and I've always been sort of wary of people<= br> who use their title.=C2=A0 The people I admire never did.

Someone on the list said that they thought Dennis wouldn't appreciate it if we got his PhD official.=C2=A0 I couldn't put my finger on it at = the
time, but I agreed.=C2=A0 And I think it is because the people who are real= ly
great don't need or want the fancy title.=C2=A0 I may be over thinking = it,
but Dennis does not need the title, it does nothing to make his legacy
better, his legacy is way way more than that title.

Which is a long ramble to say I agree with Markus.
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