From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6719 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2020 01:31:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 23 Dec 2020 01:31:04 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9E1F79C224; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 11:31:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5158E9C21B; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 11:30:05 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="QnGSBtZ5"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A1FE69C21B; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 11:30:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-yb1-f175.google.com (mail-yb1-f175.google.com [209.85.219.175]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CA3694BF0; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 11:30:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-yb1-f175.google.com with SMTP id o144so13328099ybc.0; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 17:30:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=v/s3MW8sDDuGLvv+1wIUY6TaplhxSQ+nWQD2phjg5yw=; b=QnGSBtZ5gfW9yJebau4BaocwF8H4MV4N8Nqf8xVVqulf468TL2iPPUOfDQRyZWI20D HbJBEf4dUB7yyVRElkaXvzAaS902BtkoAuFE35wbWpScNtW1DRryxtUS0rTex2cb+ETi 9hDoAxw+wWhPsnfuQwoZU4cHjyztSbs633QNS+sjqiQBIN94/crG4Xtb8vNn6V4D42FM yovBNlcVsJ0oIjjTbqG32mJZrJ+syeTJaOrFoyEpJ+91W5JNCAkCOvl1r4uyUA6Khjb4 31u14hLUVBe+7WXUl2Bu6KkTIHIZKjXdvlloihSRFfXk8ovnbesjTX3DgI5pq1NE2cBl d4nA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=v/s3MW8sDDuGLvv+1wIUY6TaplhxSQ+nWQD2phjg5yw=; b=A8CcWhJ3rueROPF+3eiVXPsrmOwUzXEKy3ebY61AVD55ZXqMpeIZUAvRHLdxvlwwkB QiRtu3T4GQhtPUQC/CDNng/yAJdH+CNLeN2oh6XD+bnGrSpkDzDpw8HYmNcWE048+DTy wuhcFDN/otvT7ZEK74imufv1kqAfmfRGaIWej3QW7aUV5AeaiHe0YyUrCV38KDyCiPxu uToLTicoJ5UI5cgzqBBCRYkFXeZlc646CsUZTF9sVtx6t6o3WYy6EJfw3OpTnpfkZsza a1Efji9M+kkEnteWlr7NCfsefUsVbHCH55qbu0Qf21l8uU1mXdsdAh/T2BcxSg+OacV/ Jl1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533jA4zMr3pNSVhhTzEzC0R+cTVQBa5+IBoik3n8sJlonRdVWWBs +ihE2uWYCg3FOV9Bfw126tidPg0egu7gdhLzXhw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxMMCe5I/KMM9oJCK2ZQl6UIYmodnyzabtKWi91Lt4ZoQ7hjesuoo1a+Kjt8i372EzGcd1YupM+sehHFKbTwx4= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:101:: with SMTP id 1mr31765023ybx.507.1608687000708; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 17:30:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201222224306.GA28478@minnie.tuhs.org> In-Reply-To: From: "John P. Linderman" Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:29:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003b684505b717a160" Subject: Re: [TUHS] ksh88 source code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000003b684505b717a160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Does it have to be ksh88? https://github.com/att/ast has ksh93 source. -- jpl On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 6:03 PM Clem Cole wrote: > If you were outside of AT&T, it was distributed via AT&T Summit's > 'toolchest' thingy (and were as a single license to join it and but > separate fees for each tool - if you wanted sub-license there was a > secondary process which I forget the details -- I remember used it so we > could make ksh, mk and ditroff standard on the MASSCOMP and later Stellar > boxes). > > My memory is that the toolchest was created before SVR4, I want to say > SVR2 (maybe as late as SVR3) timeframe. Its origin is it was a way to get > some of the tools that came from different teams around the labs out > without having to including them in a full release. Earlier, Brian's > ditroff and Dennis's compiler were licensed (together) but using the > original licensing/distribution scheme. As tools like ksh and mk came on > the scene, Otis Wilson asked a number of us customers what to do. The > toolchest was born from that discussion. It was cool in the after you > ordered, you go a uucp address to 'pull' the bits for your site from the > toolchest. No tapes were written - which is why I think find things now > may be hard. > > That said, I've not found a repository of the toolchest stuff as I'm not > so sure ATT really released all of it in the sense of the basic system > itself. For instance, the support for the JERQ (including the games) were > all in the toolchest and last spring a few of us were looking for the GBACA > sources. I'm not sure if they were found. > > Basically, you need to find someone that had had a toolchest license for > that specific tool and still has the bits somewhere. > > Clem > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 5:44 PM Warren Toomey wrote: > >> Hi all, I received an e-mail looking for the ksh-88 source code. A quick >> search for it on-line doesn't reveal it. Does anybody have a copy? >> >> Cheers, Warren >> >> Original e-mail: >> I recently built a PiDP11 and have been enjoying going back in time >> to 2.11BSD.. I was at UC Davis in the the early 1980's and we had >> a few PDP-11/70's running 2.8/2.9 BSD. Back then we reached out to >> David Korn and he sent us the source for KSH -- this would have been >> in 1985ish if I remember, and we compiled it for 2.9 & 4.1BSD, Xenix, >> and some other variants that used K&R C. It may have been what was >> later called ksh88. I wish I still had the files from then.. >> >> I was wondering if you might know if there's an older version like this >> or one that's been ported for 2.11BSD? >> Many thanks, >> Joe >> > --0000000000003b684505b717a160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Doe= s it have to be ksh88?=C2=A0https://= github.com/att/ast has ksh93 source. -- jpl

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020= at 6:03 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
If you were outside of AT&T, it was distributed via AT= &T Summit's 'toolchest' thingy (and were as a single licens= e to join it and but separate fees for each tool - if you wanted sub-licens= e there was a secondary process which I forget the details -- I remember us= ed it so we could make ksh, mk and ditroff standard on the MASSCOMP and lat= er Stellar boxes).

My memory is that the toolchest was= created before SVR4, I want to say SVR2 (maybe as late as SVR3) timeframe.= =C2=A0 Its origin is it was a way to get some of the tools that came from d= ifferent teams around the labs out without having to including them in a fu= ll release. Earlier, Brian's ditroff and Dennis's compiler were lic= ensed (together) but using the original licensing/distribution scheme.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0As tools like ksh and mk came on the scene, Otis Wilson asked a n= umber of us customers what to do.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The toolchest was bor= n from that discussion.=C2=A0 It was cool in the after you ordered, you go = a uucp address to 'pull' the bits for your site from the toolchest.= =C2=A0 No tapes were written - which is why I think find things now may be = hard.

That said, I've not found a repository=C2=A0= of the toolchest=C2=A0stuff as I'm not so sure ATT really released all = of it in the sense of the basic system itself.=C2=A0 For instance, the supp= ort for the JERQ (including the games) were all in the toolchest and last s= pring a few of us were looking=C2=A0for the GBACA sources.=C2=A0 I'm no= t sure if they were found.

Basically, you need to find= someone that had had a toolchest=C2=A0license for that specific tool and s= till has the bits somewhere.=C2=A0

Clem
On Tue, = Dec 22, 2020 at 5:44 PM Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
Hi all, I received an e-mail looking for the k= sh-88 source code. A quick
search for it on-line doesn't reveal it. Does anybody have a copy?

Cheers, Warren

Original e-mail:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I recently built a PiDP11 and have been enjoying going back in= time
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to 2.11BSD..=C2=A0 I was at UC Davis in the the early 1980'= ;s and we had
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a few PDP-11/70's running 2.8/2.9 BSD. Back then we reache= d out to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0David Korn and he sent us the source for KSH -- this would hav= e been
=C2=A0 =C2=A0in 1985ish if I remember, and we compiled it for 2.9 & 4.1= BSD, Xenix,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and some other variants that used K&R C.=C2=A0 It may have= been what was
=C2=A0 =C2=A0later called ksh88.=C2=A0 I wish I still had the files from th= en..

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I was wondering if you might know if there's an older vers= ion like this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0or one that's been ported for 2.11BSD?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Many thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Joe
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