From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7e2dd3dc for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 00:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EBF1FA1894; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 10:55:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BEBA183B; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 10:55:16 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=GnwqTZ3f; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 06F85A183B; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 10:55:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com (mail-wm0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADA45A1836 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 10:55:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id z6-v6so6434288wma.0 for ; Sun, 01 Jul 2018 17:55:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HMpVcfuG0uJWXeHIbdWRAx+1abgquiuho80/buJK42w=; b=GnwqTZ3fGZKIHtErZlWpuUNguNBPmJnjvg0i7D1X32qI4e0hgxKMFYwLWPxZbAeV3+ egrpVpMudi5pAuvfNEKgtzTs+7pX4eBtkWjTGjXNexZ0vI88XIREagy4xeYZgIc70lfl affqY+Yw44+48YLu6XfwoxvO5Gom6/bplsoXtCu9SUjA7zlQFIW6lnSGCVwJCokx22p7 b6M+eIhMxjYjbU8PbAG02mQjUkoynMBPkn84aLUKHNqzUzgtNs5O0Gi4ArVL9XSycNBe WBBcpFf4R4QWOeqM8Vb3vmEkeolii5pSTGQkNsMPRruRYzi3WlYhwl4MKpWpkJKec6Sm uLUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HMpVcfuG0uJWXeHIbdWRAx+1abgquiuho80/buJK42w=; b=iALqZ17HwrzExdvUyGBmHHIRKRC/1OMMHwQXMRzOC3RUF1YflfR6X5BTZu37G58zsc XiyGQRAVa7CTzIrYiB8z+dHUOrTAL76+0HdUBUb+vcksoEj1p5vT1btDFjnu0CLVFHWD zpHEAgHg4Ur/J3qTTODcg81mNIGrdDBpJaSIsDgnW4ABR0qaAt4naxZ7IvSc7sYPf7Bi CwLicJeGCsd/IPxx1X4Ae8JRZBspVt+EJM7Je3r5yf6LBK7SkeRgycDOlkgcXt9Gwaf4 swpZsglzJpGKnirQJHNCw8u6JnXprW51r3SWuQ8b/pEzYtEWohnjm+axx1GgumUK5xmK uEvw== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0sLxUsmuWCd9P3VNU1HEPvi2S8f/8sbQe1tCH/PPK0ITpqrnhC Vap8Bjj70CnJwfj5V6y/MYvmYGxPrJkplyGC9LU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpdhQgZujlUdhLYjomUW/A9JeDXpnhtwHjrbjUC+MXkkf5EhONxJOhui3YVFtaBMR6CfIpUpMjuofPdlItPVEko= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:a406:: with SMTP id n6-v6mr6942991wme.29.1530492912362; Sun, 01 Jul 2018 17:55:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:8f64:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jul 2018 17:55:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <927BB205-49F8-492B-8AAB-0395F36B549A@jctaylor.com> References: <1530357310.5184.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> <20180701021724.GA99215@eureka.lemis.com> <927BB205-49F8-492B-8AAB-0395F36B549A@jctaylor.com> From: "John P. Linderman" Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 20:55:11 -0400 Message-ID: To: William Corcoran Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005f69f0056ff9a67f" Subject: Re: [TUHS] ATT Hardware X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000005f69f0056ff9a67f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So prohibiting someone from pushing a button differed in what way from allowing them to pull a plug? I can understand there may have been some difference in state when/if the machine was rebooted. If I just wanted the machine to cease sucking power, what's the difference? I never wanted that box to exist, or come back to life, in whatever color. On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:20 PM, William Corcoran wrote: > No! no! no! The 3b2 was one of the first supermicros to fully integrate > power management with the system. Yanking the cord would be unthinkable > mainly because it was unnecessary. The shutdown script would remove powe= r > to the the system once the system safely went down and buffers were > flushed. You could also depress this massive rocket switch on the side = of > the unit and it would kick off the powerdown script. It is noteworthy th= at > the 3b2 power switch was stateless...allowing human and computer to turn > off the power. > > Finally, the 3b2 is probably the only system in the world with system > diagnostics so in depth that they were nearly as significant as the > operating system. It=E2=80=99s a telecommunications thing. Interestin= gly, the > color of the 3b2 was similar to a VAX Brown and White. > > > On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:24 PM, John P. Linderman wrote: > > Puns aside, anyone who didn't consider pulling the plug was probably not > someone who should be bringing the system down. > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey > wrote: > >> On Saturday, 30 June 2018 at 7:15:07 -0400, Norman Wilson wrote: >> > Ron Natalie: >> > >> > My favorite 3B2ism was that the power switch was soft (uncommon then= , >> not so >> > much now). I seem to recall that if the logged in user wasn't in a >> > particular group, pushing the power button was a no-op. You didn't >> have >> > sufficient privs to operate the power. >> > >> > =3D=3D=3D=3D >> > >> > Surely you mean the current user didn't have sufficent power. >> >> Or was experiencing too much resistance? >> >> Greg >> -- >> Sent from my desktop computer. >> Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. >> See complete headers for address and phone numbers. >> This message is digitally signed. 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So = prohibiting someone from pushing a button differed in what way from allowin= g them to pull a plug? I can understand there may have been some difference= in state when/if the machine was rebooted. If I just wanted the machine to= cease sucking power, what's the difference? I never wanted that box to= exist, or come back to life, in whatever color.

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:20 PM, = William Corcoran <wlc@jctaylor.com> wrote:
No! no! no!=C2=A0 The 3b2 was one of the first supermicros to fully in= tegrate power management with the system. =C2=A0 Yanking the cord would be = unthinkable mainly because it was unnecessary.=C2=A0 The shutdown script wo= uld remove power to the the system once the system safely went down and buffers were flushed. =C2=A0 You could also depress t= his massive rocket switch on the side of the unit and it would kick off the= powerdown script.=C2=A0 It is noteworthy that the 3b2 power switch was sta= teless...allowing human and computer to turn off the power. =C2=A0

Finally, the 3b2 is probably the only system in the world with system = diagnostics so in depth that they were nearly as significant as the operati= ng system. =C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s a telecommunications thing. =C2=A0 Interesti= ngly, =C2=A0the color of the 3b2 was similar to a VAX Brown and White. =C2=A0


On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:24 PM, John P. Linderman <jpl.jpl@gmail.com> wrote:

Puns aside, anyone w= ho didn't consider pulling the plug was probably not someone who should= be bringing the system down.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Greg 'grog= gy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com&= gt; wrote:
On Saturday, 30 June 2018 at=C2=A0 7:15:07 -0400, Norman Wilson wrote:
> Ron Natalie:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0My favorite 3B2ism was that the power switch was soft (unc= ommon then, not so
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0much now).=C2=A0 =C2=A0I seem to recall that if the logged= in user wasn't in a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0particular group, pushing the power button was a no-op.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0You didn't have
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0sufficient privs to operate the power.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Surely you mean the current user didn't have sufficent power.

Or was experiencing too much resistance?

Greg
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