From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a6b14b6c for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 71F61A1857; Sat, 21 Jul 2018 08:38:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7B19E99F; Sat, 21 Jul 2018 08:37:52 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=KcmlVbNv; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0B82B9E285; Wed, 18 Jul 2018 00:39:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm0-f51.google.com (mail-wm0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2BD9E281 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2018 00:39:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm0-f51.google.com with SMTP id s14-v6so1801267wmc.1 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:39:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8e+Em630bQ3Rue1uruvKalU3Ql/PLlLtoIB7RRpwAA4=; b=KcmlVbNvew1QQ7LrBkVjUVUqjfVMVi+iJzKcULZ86HP5rkqAZJ+h9j1wSc7+63MCL7 jwqrnSajDi3VpPXfoMhfHltfpCmeBOptJ/oXMH0J7FvzesdPGNhAT2ZUPvkPaclPVt3z aKJWLrCHydanBKkwRPUwhCrhISJFdaswT2HmdyBf00YR+lRGk17MSe/zvDrQmK5AxjVE FN14mLZSBO60CgP9WeyLBOWFPvv6kStfXRpKjEt1leaQfEqHvEZvWqeLiXKMMqLtoe08 zS5Qa1ae6oechOtd04eVgsPpv8xt0g1lXEQJQz039VI9/oVCz4wSREkN11t+/iV47qm+ ul2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8e+Em630bQ3Rue1uruvKalU3Ql/PLlLtoIB7RRpwAA4=; b=kpNHLPswl5jaEGp2dekPbVkJvwhK+Oc/GIVxfe/mZrUtYXjIZ2zOtku1nC+0faSZML JRG1674uxWRn7iTdMxTwhSpAqJTxa8elJvcFyQAK5rX6MFD+WgXtDXZ6VTBJUid2+DlD u0reXRWcgUDyyoIp/DW3ZsO2j/8tekVDC43+HO2RlYgZqSTQ+FEBO1aMwAYJZxBiq6lQ vJCCsF83bQIu1ermKGmfd5M3OcpuuhoYKpRW6FqYPmteaKu9giwK73EXAeD5O+LJ8F5H +rvinEMimk1+Dqm0W2WDN5iROXyxufSfnPI8bi9hOG8zw0lxwMggjQNyHeyqZP7u8A2Q SsGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlE+EV/vD0slNkmuVOgqey9X6wpREtpT6PRROrUKI2ffDQhA/SKa nwLa8RCGSIR+gmrGHw8EosbTRwT/mt7GV77/ehU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpcBWgkU69MLCQ1RcyOKSFwTHnnC5mufMFSYa5QizLfcyjknbe2VeE4hG2lDEvWLXKm8AYaLnc8OAFDGZpglZ+4= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:be13:: with SMTP id o19-v6mr1481396wmf.1.1531838360906; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:39:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:8f64:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:39:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201807171320.w6HDKNTR023268@freefriends.org> References: <201807171320.w6HDKNTR023268@freefriends.org> From: "John P. Linderman" Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:39:20 -0400 Message-ID: To: arnold@skeeve.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005af201057132e925" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 08:37:49 +1000 Subject: Re: [TUHS] Speaking commands [Was: Bell System Technical Journal archive] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000005af201057132e925 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Interesting that of all the commands mentioned, ar is (at least for me) no longer used (although I haven't used ed in many years). As I recall it, ar was mostly of use to address the extremely low limits on inodes and disk space: the former by packing a bunch of files/inodes into a single file, the latter by saving the wasted space on any file that wasn't a multiple of 512 bytes. I guess it lives on in the creation of "libraries" that could be loaded by compilers, although I think shared objects have largely replaced archive files, and I'm not sure if archive files are even accepted any more. On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:20 AM, wrote: > Nemo wrote: > > > I was intrigued by BMK's comment that "ed" was never spokend as "ed" > > by "those in the know", which leads me to wonder how things were > > spoken. > > I always spelled out the two-letter commands: e-d, a-r, l-s, r-m, c-p. > chmod I pronounced as ch-mod (not mode), but 'rmdir' was 'remove dir' > and for some reason, mv was move. (I think the doc for vi officially > stated that the proram's name was to be pronounced v-i and not 'vie'.) > > Undoubtedly there were many regional differences... :-) > > Arnold > --0000000000005af201057132e925 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Int= eresting that of all the commands mentioned, ar is (at least for me) no lon= ger used (although I haven't used ed in many years). As I recall it, ar= was mostly of use to address the extremely low limits on inodes and disk s= pace: the former by packing a bunch of files/inodes into a single file, the= latter by saving the wasted space on any file that wasn't a multiple o= f 512 bytes. I guess it lives on in the creation of "libraries" t= hat could be loaded by compilers, although I think shared objects have larg= ely replaced archive files, and I'm not sure if archive files are even = accepted any more.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 9:20 AM, <arnold@skeeve.com><= /span> wrote:
Nemo <<= a href=3D"mailto:cym224@gmail.com">cym224@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was intrigued by BMK's comment that "ed" was never spo= kend as "ed"
> by "those in the know", which leads me to wonder how things = were
> spoken.

I always spelled out the two-letter commands: e-d, a-r, l-s, r-m, c-= p.
chmod I pronounced as ch-mod (not mode), but 'rmdir' was 'remov= e dir'
and for some reason, mv was move. (I think the doc for vi officially
stated that the proram's name was to be pronounced v-i and not 'vie= '.)

Undoubtedly there were many regional differences... :-)

Arnold

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