From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29427 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2022 19:21:53 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Nov 2022 19:21:53 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDF541DD6; Thu, 3 Nov 2022 05:21:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oa1-f42.google.com (mail-oa1-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7AE441DD5 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2022 05:21:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oa1-f42.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-13ae8117023so21368857fac.9 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2022 12:21:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=baSssYwQ22QoZg9++vZ40AAYVeqh6g/g9Q3lv6TpeC8=; b=X5IqPGus8rUFd3orZ1oJG9RKzcHWRh1z2O6b/qKPWFgQZ6XgMrgX0EXrCYfPrBc7uz KCcZLRdxP7ZousJ6iPdDaJoH48wDgDmky3O6TolvERf+1gLAAFVYDQt1Lrtih+NEA0rC ZToprDJ95PeNZ6w1csWHU1g31g2+ZxGHtyH+mK/Y/4UZca1sIvdc3WkCD6Ae+pXRoPE0 GLeiZQKp7YcnqmipxTMYYDm3poVgUKs7PsXQyZgACayIc2skVtdtBL2x/gfsD5haIi1T y8VUvQUgamDOx0kEBzHniqhACLO7qDM2A37mkTBEXrL3YmjHa6GF7vr/FxkR2XGvpieb 5e3A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=baSssYwQ22QoZg9++vZ40AAYVeqh6g/g9Q3lv6TpeC8=; b=mCkXyiFg9HslKV91KgCdJgW7Omc6yjx1e/KKUhAT5qm7Y7VkBfUIi0c0wg+scvMsAm JD2t6C4IMGn/k6Nh9RtzV+ffONKoM6X3pTOu9O/u1TuwwqBCXAL2JiXqPiGeN+tsxZgM 8e5TxdTY1HBy1ddxNO+tXWJZtbrOuaxvVca0LBW/3TzeWarMFGUcUAsbeNA0cv8Xi63E YDV8a8EljVeL8bXfpXgIZDu9ocrum2CwSneHnq17xdJE1lygrfXwH8EE3YbF+/aC+YSz Xf5YimVcYqDW/d1enzk99dEHfcV0HpkcJmQ0FasI20praJOqHqX7jLxhBW6QSVzbTwMM BLDA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2LfWbecme/+12DL3v4Kk94ma9MKLI+TlWHT9vkgCUJ2DaNLDSD DzSrHFv5LYfyIVOljMhMc3TasUk1b8MQ1Cj5tCNgXWnS X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7571ieADjknjmokB84TX69G4bA+qZ13quwyrkXd5Oo8JjDjiJDK0ThILC84Gxbs3RN9ZW9x7Wl/tiPoJL448g= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:d29e:b0:131:c3df:1e93 with SMTP id d30-20020a056870d29e00b00131c3df1e93mr24395412oae.56.1667416824009; Wed, 02 Nov 2022 12:20:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "John P. Linderman" Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 15:20:12 -0400 Message-ID: To: jason-tuhs@shalott.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007cdc9b05ec81bbd4" Message-ID-Hash: IGAOQ4JBM7KZTHPETK75TUUL2JQA472F X-Message-ID-Hash: IGAOQ4JBM7KZTHPETK75TUUL2JQA472F X-MailFrom: jpl.jpl@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: steve jenkin , TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early Unix and Keyboard Skills List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000007cdc9b05ec81bbd4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:02 PM wrote: > > > I=E2=80=99ve never heard anyone mention keyboard skills with the people= of the > > CSRC - doesn=E2=80=99t anyone know? > > > https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/AUUGN/AUUGN-V05.4.pdf (p23) > > > History tells us that the guys who designed [UNIX] did their own typing > > into the machine. It seems to me that because of this, the main reason > > that UNIX enjoys/suffers from terse input and output is not through any > > intellectual design decisions made at some early stage but because the > > UNIX designers were just bad typists working on slow peripherals. > > > -Jason > Mostly rampant speculation on my part, but with 110 baud modems, 10 characters per second right?, and added delays for carriage returns, it was the peripherals that encouraged brevity. Code would be viewed multiple times, but entered roughly once. --0000000000007cdc9b05ec81bbd4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:02 PM <jason-tuhs@shalott.net> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99ve never heard anyone mention keyboard skills with the peopl= e of the
> CSRC - doesn=E2=80=99t anyone know?


https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documen= tation/AUUGN/AUUGN-V05.4.pdf (p23)

> History tells us that the guys who designed [UNIX] did their own typin= g
> into the machine.=C2=A0 It seems to me that because of this, the main = reason
> that UNIX enjoys/suffers from terse input and output is not through an= y
> intellectual design decisions made at some early stage but because the=
> UNIX designers were just bad typists working on slow peripherals.


=C2=A0 -Jason

Mostly rampant speculation on my part, but with 11= 0 baud modems, 10 characters per second right?,
and added delays for carriage returns, it = was the peripherals that encouraged brevity. Code would be
viewed multiple times, but ent= ered roughly once.
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