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From: "John P. Linderman" <jpl.jpl@gmail.com>
To: Tyler Adams <coppero1237@gmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Favorite unix design principles?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 07:26:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC0cEp_U1n5PzWi6ny-zAZS63Cwc4Bbx5wBXX-va+SOPboULXQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEuQd1DO1_gv-ByrM91DLQ3kqm7pap9bK+4JsQKJoNqD1Z-GZw@mail.gmail.com>

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 5:24 AM Tyler Adams <coppero1237@gmail.com> wrote:

> Looking at the 1978 list, the last one really stands out:
>
> "Use tools in preference to unskilled help to lighten a programming task"
> -- The concept of unskilled help for a programming task...doesn't really
> exist in 2020. The only special case is doing unskilled labor yourself.
> What unskilled tasks did people used to do back in the day?
>
> Tyler
>
>>
>>>
Drifting far off topic, but when I was programming part time for the MIT
administration in the late 60's, we wrote a small language for generating
reports from tape input. It did things like reading a record ahead, so it
could detect the last and first records having some (presumably sorted)
value, making it easy to do headers and summaries. Many report requests
from assorted administrative offices could be handled by our operators, who
had no formal programming experience. Occasionally they'd get bitten by a
request like "Give me a count of freshman and sophomores in course 18" and
they'd do the equivalent of "class == freshmen && class == sophomore",
paralleling the spoken request, and then wonder why nothing got selected.
All in all, though, it took a huge load off the skilled programmers, and
reduced the time to respond to simple requests. When I joined the Labs in
1973, we had no operators, no administrative report requests, and most
co-workers were proficient programmers. But the administrative work
environment at MIT was more representative of "the real world" than the
Labs.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-26 12:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-25 11:10 Tyler Adams
2021-01-25 12:32 ` Steve Nickolas
2021-01-26  2:06   ` M Douglas McIlroy
2021-01-26  2:53     ` Steve Nickolas
2021-01-26 10:22     ` Tyler Adams
2021-01-26 12:26       ` John P. Linderman [this message]
2021-01-26 15:23       ` Clem Cole
2021-01-26 16:00         ` Niklas Karlsson
2021-01-26 16:13           ` Adam Thornton
     [not found]       ` <CAKH6PiXKjksEpQOMMMQTbcsMvX2thz3WzqjoRWJAsXnZ4Eq_iQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-01-30 19:01         ` Tyler Adams
2021-01-30 19:50           ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-30 20:06             ` Tyler Adams
2021-01-30 21:28               ` Clem Cole
2021-01-30 21:42                 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-30 21:45                 ` Tyler Adams
2021-01-30 22:31                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-30 22:28                 ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-30 23:11                   ` [TUHS] FreeBSD behind the times? (was: Favorite unix design principles?) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2021-01-30 23:17                     ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-30 23:22                       ` Warner Losh
2021-01-30 23:31                         ` [TUHS] [SPAM] " Larry McVoy
2021-01-30 23:37                           ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-30 23:54                             ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-31 12:23                               ` [TUHS] [SPAM] Re: FreeBSD behind the times? Dermot Tynan
2021-01-31  0:00                             ` [TUHS] [SPAM] Re: FreeBSD behind the times? (was: Favorite unix design principles?) Bakul Shah
2021-02-09  2:15                         ` [TUHS] " Will Senn
2021-02-09  2:16                           ` Will Senn
2021-02-09  2:30                             ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2021-01-31  0:39                     ` Steve Nickolas
2021-01-31  1:47                     ` Will Senn
2021-01-31  2:25                       ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-31  2:52                         ` Will Senn
2021-01-31  3:00                           ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-31  3:06                             ` Will Senn
2021-01-31  3:32                               ` John Cowan
2021-02-04  5:43                         ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-04  6:10                           ` Angus Robinson
2021-02-04  7:46                             ` Andy Kosela
2021-02-04 22:25                             ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-04 15:45                           ` Will Senn
2021-02-04 16:03                             ` Henry Bent
2021-02-04 16:32                             ` Dan Cross
2021-02-04 16:49                               ` Will Senn
2021-02-04 17:46                               ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-04 18:41                               ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-04 22:28                                 ` George Michaelson
2021-02-04 22:41                                   ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-05  0:33                                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-05  5:17                                     ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-05 14:18                                       ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-05 18:16                                         ` Warner Losh
2021-02-05 18:21                                         ` ron minnich
2021-02-06  0:03                                         ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-06  2:06                                           ` Dan Cross
2021-02-06  3:01                                             ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-06  1:18                                         ` John Gilmore
2021-02-06  1:43                                           ` joe mcguckin
2021-02-06  1:55                                           ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-05 20:50                             ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-06  0:21                               ` Brad Spencer
2021-02-06  2:22                               ` Rico Pajarola
2021-02-06  2:55                                 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-06  3:07                                   ` Will Senn
2021-02-27  8:54                                   ` Stuart Remphrey
2021-02-06  4:55                               ` John Cowan
2021-02-04  7:46                         ` Chris Torek
2021-02-04 15:47                           ` Will Senn
2021-02-11 21:01                         ` Angel M Alganza
2021-01-30 23:09                 ` [TUHS] Favorite unix design principles? John Cowan
2021-01-30 23:22                   ` Jon Steinhart

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