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From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: arnold@skeeve.com
Cc: bakul@iitbombay.org, tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] moving directories in svr2
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 12:38:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC20D2M-sHyxw4Zgsvi+71kPpHi=3ZarLU9v4KPu45ZRAJRfJw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202112291714.1BTHEiXo008223@freefriends.org>

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At the risk of kicking a dead horse too much ...

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 12:14 PM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:

> Plan 9 eventually did something like this. I don't remember the details.
>
Arnold - point taken but ... unfortunately, I think that the comparison is
a little difficult because Plan9's concepts of namespaces is a tad
different than UNIX's.  But I'll let Rob or Ken comment as they lived and
developed both systems.

FWIW: An object store is something that retains information after the
processes that operates on it complete -* i.e. *its a *static entity*.
Links were (are) also a static concept.   Late binding to names (like
symlinks) are a dynamic (runtime idea).  Bakul points out that by using the
per process u area, the dynamic context can be retained.  The observation
is that .. (like symlinks) tend to be a runtime (dynamic) notion, although
I'm not sure how you keep consistency in the static FS if you don't store
the link in the inode.  As someone that did, I suggest - try writing fsck
if you are using dynamic content.   How do you know?  I'd still claim it is
the same issue.

Anyway, I suppose that like context sensitive symlinks (which I sorely
miss), you could do this and keep a list of the N inodes for the N parents
and then like CDSL's keep the one you used to get there in the u area so
that .. picks the proper one on the way out and you can still have the
static notion which something like fsck can check off line.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-29 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-29 16:59 Bakul Shah
2021-12-29 17:04 ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 17:14 ` arnold
2021-12-29 17:38   ` Clem Cole [this message]
2021-12-29 17:49     ` Brantley Coile
2021-12-29 18:27       ` ron minnich
2021-12-29 20:59         ` Rob Pike
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-30  3:45 Noel Chiappa
2021-12-30  4:02 ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-30 16:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-30 22:31   ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31  0:43     ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-31  1:00       ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31  1:45         ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-31  2:23           ` Adam Thornton
2021-12-31 18:56       ` Chet Ramey
2021-12-31  3:08     ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-31  3:23       ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31  5:16         ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-31  5:21           ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31  5:55           ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31 13:32             ` Michael Kjörling
2021-12-31 15:53               ` Adam Thornton
2021-12-31 16:13                 ` Arthur Krewat
2021-12-31 18:17                 ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31 18:23                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-12-31 18:37                     ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31 18:29                   ` Arthur Krewat
2022-01-01  0:09                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 13:35                     ` Dan Cross
2022-01-03 20:23                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 20:45                         ` Warner Losh
2022-01-03 21:15                         ` Dan Cross
2022-01-03 22:26                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 23:10                             ` Dan Cross
2022-01-04 15:45                             ` Chet Ramey
2022-01-09 19:28                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 23:21                           ` Doug McIntyre
2022-01-03 23:37                             ` Adam Thornton
2022-01-04 14:49                               ` Stuart Remphrey
2022-01-03 23:44                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 23:56                               ` Warner Losh
2022-01-04  2:28                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-04  2:42                                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 22:57                         ` Phil Budne
2021-12-31  5:12       ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-29 19:33 Noel Chiappa
2021-12-30  3:40 ` Jay Logue via TUHS
2021-12-29 19:13 Douglas McIlroy
2021-12-29 19:37 ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 20:15   ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 20:42     ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 20:58       ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 21:20         ` Clem Cole
2021-12-30  3:15       ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-29 17:12 Douglas McIlroy
2021-12-29 14:33 Will Senn
2021-12-29 15:02 ` arnold
2021-12-29 15:38   ` Will Senn
2021-12-29 15:44     ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 16:17       ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 16:58         ` Richard Salz
2021-12-30  5:14         ` Dan Stromberg
2021-12-30 16:22           ` Clem Cole
2021-12-30 18:02           ` John Cowan
2021-12-30 23:04             ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 15:17 ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 15:44   ` Will Senn
2021-12-29 16:10     ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 16:33       ` Warner Losh
2021-12-29 16:01   ` Bakul Shah

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