From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6CE2382C for ; Sat, 25 May 2024 18:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F1B43B05; Sun, 26 May 2024 02:21:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-xa35.google.com (mail-vk1-xa35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a35]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E37D243B03 for ; Sun, 26 May 2024 02:21:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-xa35.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4e4efbc8d51so574503e0c.0 for ; Sat, 25 May 2024 09:21:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1716654113; x=1717258913; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=aPmnp51tb4BcofRLiwHCEi8R8HNMj6wnYkUfC2hT9wA=; b=f0h7RB8vr0WeqqA4pkw25CtB5tKp2FgyFhRTSWMdKyJBab7IAsNHnzsbIqpIL4UUUF SN9qoas5bTS95APi+Us7gAwDNlA2F1jew4kSKCq0JZnufPmGO7j/u8ZNYp/39RHyQY2n jhbNUHapYyzDk7BBjTHlQmF2fvymYEDlyeesg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1716654113; x=1717258913; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=aPmnp51tb4BcofRLiwHCEi8R8HNMj6wnYkUfC2hT9wA=; b=DSKZ3b7HmFKbuCcTnqjhIWD6Qoj/iBT5J1SBba/NsoBmpocJh6e7qnJa90+ysTy5CV 2whXFKjckdHfIWnyeYENQT+9gie/ahV3ArZF64Fw8Y5wtjFWchSdW0R5lAnsJTPPVJ5i ARtFinvAmGwMdzeMqyd8C6d4NtH+TmZumpCnU0Un0VIDOMjEAfFDJrJohoqTlv4kpZb8 sXLqKNiY9Y2AJQnVvDrKzMRmUnoRDZmOD4fKuF6uMkwY/L2qX3qAqn+H9ofthcDH5HkR YjYQwLVsuCdnpvm5/ewKksFMSyBWKRKfMSU4AaGTUEMv07jQ/HKGqlhnh+TgiXhmOLN1 PBHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz57Ud3OmlSp6PDBbE+6lB1UuDh3VJSIKijwTI248JJKu2XBcWt Pc2s6q33vJwbeHfR7c73s+stwMD7ibkMFJEhmeLHkFpPGswez3W4Aljs6yOfqoCXddRqp8y5zKy 8ACZxv1WdCr2qiHOHlCkFQBE6Cr/YYCeex6canXn/XnbL1XM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGVF5TJ1vFfeKlx91O/x/UNzI8EhVMRGT8bzCV/pBXfqx5gNdGDjZBt50Q0Y3AulAEI6weuOAIQKi6n9i/2PeM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:c91:b0:4e4:e9db:6b10 with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4e4f021c79fmr5399842e0c.2.1716654112806; Sat, 25 May 2024 09:21:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240525155737.bwmngdyf4qnj4avv@illithid> <20240525161320.3jvozzlgvr6tfyxl@illithid> In-Reply-To: <20240525161320.3jvozzlgvr6tfyxl@illithid> From: Clem Cole Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 12:21:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: "G. Branden Robinson" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000098ba1a061949ae36" Message-ID-Hash: SE7NWAY2Z7UK4YC2MO4HZXXAEJZIJI2O X-Message-ID-Hash: SE7NWAY2Z7UK4YC2MO4HZXXAEJZIJI2O X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Was curses ported to Seventh Edition Unix? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000098ba1a061949ae36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 12:13=E2=80=AFPM G. Branden Robinson < g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote: > That does complicate my simplistic story. Ing70 was, then, as you noted > in a previous mail, an 11/70, but it _wasn't_ running Version 7 Unix, > but rather something with various bits of BSD (also in active > development, I reckon). > Mumble -- the kernel and 90% of the userspace on Ing70 was V7 -- it was very similar to Teklabs which I ran. It had all of 2BSD on it, but the kernel work that we think of as 'BSD" was 3.0BSD and later 4.0BSD and that was 100% on the Vax. The point is it was a 16 bits system, the Johnson C compiler with some fixes from the greater USENIX community including UCB. There was >>no port<< needed. This was its native tongue. It was >>included<< in later BSD released which is how people came to know it because 4.XBSD was became much more widely used than V7+2BSD. The 2.9 work of Keith at al, started because the UCB Math Dept could not afford a VAX. DEC had released the v7m code to support overlays, so slowly changed from the VAX made it back into the V7 based kernel - which took a new life. Clem =E1=90=A7 --00000000000098ba1a061949ae36 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 12:1= 3=E2=80=AFPM G. Branden Robinson <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote:
That does complicate my simplistic st= ory.=C2=A0 Ing70 was, then, as you noted
in a previous mail, an 11/70, but it _wasn't_ running Version 7 Unix, but rather something with various bits of BSD (also in active
development, I reckon).
Mumble -- the kernel and 9= 0% of=C2=A0the userspace on Ing70 was V7 -- it was very similar = to Teklabs which I ran.
It had all of 2BSD on it, but the ke= rnel work that we think of as 'BSD" was 3.0BSD and later 4.0BSD an= d that was 100% on the Vax.

The point is it was a 16 b= its system, the Johnson C compiler with some fixes from the greater USENIX = community including UCB.
There was >>no port<< needed.<= /div>

This was its native tongue.

It wa= s >>included<< in later BSD released which is how people came t= o know it because 4.XBSD was became much more widely used than V7+2BSD.

The 2.9 work of Keith at al, started because the UCB Math= Dept could not afford=C2=A0a VAX.=C2=A0 =C2=A0DEC had released the=C2=A0 v= 7m code to support overlays, so slowly
changed from the VAX made it= back into the V7 based kernel - which took a new life.

<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif= ">Clem




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