From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A1523F8F for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:48:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6643E42A6E; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 01:48:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-yw1-x112f.google.com (mail-yw1-x112f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::112f]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2D3542A3E for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 01:48:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-yw1-x112f.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-63bca6db118so1492447b3.3 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:48:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1718812101; x=1719416901; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=gW7sDBdZAYbJOZpuTHM4qOcVvb2QWmIiKudinM+9bow=; b=jL3vnqQqCizQN2/oZItGtoOhdrkGHJK+KMGD/b5Do8aZtnQR3xeE3sdynvzVvIb48Y KU2BDnQEF7meSntxonpMEFSXY7XsxGUbJaZHLYLSYhZlSCpbPO5tX0q2CGS5SURmFfKe SDdYzR/U/KRpf0jl5Qbj7k27DFs0iV1+P8Ztg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1718812101; x=1719416901; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=gW7sDBdZAYbJOZpuTHM4qOcVvb2QWmIiKudinM+9bow=; b=eVZGSQ/WYu67PWHhAKWpzrniMsRTJMLxaV0/gD5NvKCOVGT5fO3xnu05iLstQRUCZ3 5czHKWz0B4i1yPwopmKweCNhlvpiXtTh7guyUSaLZrNh+TES4nf14zmjm4nHf62u9KRe Yt43E2HOJ3rpr18nyHna2WgsU82F+rbehqvboMJZaAUePAFdRVxDO3DkNo3xe/+FTVBx subTRnrSgDOMkV3OYAp3PN7IhtydpSWXHicPReOsILrM+AzSSTYYjtErMC2fpWRES68u X5sehmvXt4yt+ManAFlYaj2YZK0LspjFTbEzawmAVQgP6+SodEtmuMho/qFUzpXNugVy gZew== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwSonab0HDnUbdSoR9naj76tBI2PHmhRaLQEb4ax9C8LhFWh0iv +4H0Ak9RazsgxmwIz+Qgf0evQKlLI3srVKmFBN2R+EsaBsQzwoAOlYrZFvk/h8gTpSLH/43GbBd gyDB2eYEvf61w8cKDrGrIP/S0t2rqP2f4U81nDIns03lXf68= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHD/Qee7jWEbVif3asKMfVl12Gu+7gTZXSiOnOTsXU9itYhReP0RUjFs2Td2UC3uS2tUWwKxtnrTZTjUQoht8g= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:d654:0:b0:631:6dad:8624 with SMTP id 00721157ae682-63a8dc0710dmr30419077b3.21.1718812100840; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:48:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202406190655.45J6tkVP902384@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <202406190655.45J6tkVP902384@freefriends.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:47:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: arnold@skeeve.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b4e5f7061b40202e" Message-ID-Hash: 6HAPVSWBKL3GGXEAF7FWGX6PVGOQVVVO X-Message-ID-Hash: 6HAPVSWBKL3GGXEAF7FWGX6PVGOQVVVO X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: ACM Software System Award to Andrew S. Tanenbaum for MINIX List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000b4e5f7061b40202e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =F0=9F=91=8D On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 2:56=E2=80=AFAM wrote: > The "odd only" policy may be true, but it's not what I was told; I > was told that the policy was to release externally one version behind > what was being run internally. > That's how I remember Otis Wilson explaining it to us as commercial licensees at a licensing meeting in the early 1980s. We had finally completed the PWB 3.0 license to replace the V7 commercial license (AT&T would rename this System III - but we knew it as PWB 3.) during the negociations Summit had already moved on to the next version - PWB 4.0. IMO: Otis was not ready to start that process again. > With the consent decree done and Divestiture in the works, AT&T was > going to be allowed get into the computer business. Exactly, and Charlie Brown wanted to compete with IBM in particular=E2=80= =94which was an issue=E2=80=94by the time of Judge Green, the microprocessor-based workstations had started to make huge inroads against the mini-computers. AT&T management (Brown *et al*), still equated the "computer business" with mainframes running Wall Street. > So at some point, someone decided that for System V, the current system > would be released externally. > Right=E2=80=94that would have had to have been someone(s) in AT&T UNIX mark= eting in North Carolina=E2=80=94the folks that gave us the "*Consider it Standard*" = campaign. > I doubt we'll ever know the exact truth. > I agree. I take a WAG, though. I >>suspect<< it was linked to the attempt to sell the 3B20S against the DEC Vax family and the then IBM model 140 (which was the "minicomputer" size IBM mainframe system). By that time, System V was the OS Summit had supplied for it. If there were going to be in the commercial hardware business, the OS SW had to match what the HW used. Clem =E1=90=A7 =E1=90=A7 --000000000000b4e5f7061b40202e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Wed, Jun 19, = 2024 at 2:56=E2=80=AFAM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
The "odd only" policy may be true, but i= t's not what I was told; I
was told that the policy was to release externally one version behind
what was being run internally.
That's how I re= member Otis Wilson explaining it to us as commercial=C2=A0licensees at a li= censing meeting in the early 1980s.=C2=A0
We had finall= y completed the PWB 3.0 license to replace the V7 commercial=C2=A0license (= AT&T would rename this System III - but we knew it as PWB 3.) during th= e negociations=C2=A0 =C2=A0Summit had already moved on to the next version = - PWB 4.0.=C2=A0 IMO: Otis was not ready=C2=A0to start that process again.<= /div>



With the consent decree done and Divestiture in the works, AT&T was
going to be allowed get into the computer business.
Exa= ctly, and Charlie Brown wanted to compete with IBM in particular=E2=80=94wh= ich was an issue=E2=80=94by the time of Judge Green, the microprocessor-bas= ed workstations had started to make huge inroads against the mini-computers= . AT&T management (Brown et al), still equated the "compute= r business" with mainframes running Wall Street.

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So at some p= oint,=C2=A0someone decided that for System V, the current system= would be released=C2=A0externally.
Rig= ht=E2=80=94that would have had to have been someone(s) in AT&T UNIX mar= keting=C2=A0in North Carolina=E2=80=94the folks that gave us the= "Consider it Standard" campaign.

I doubt we'll ever know the exact truth.
I agr= ee.=C2=A0 I take a WAG, though.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I >>suspect<< it wa= s linked to the attempt to sell the 3B20S against the DEC Vax family and th= e then=C2=A0IBM model 140 (which was the "minicomputer" size IBM = mainframe system).=C2=A0 =C2=A0By that time, System V was the OS Summit had= supplied for it. If there were going to be in the commercial=C2=A0<= span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri= f">hardware business, the OS SW had to match what the HW used.
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