From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7d033367 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 18:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 928249C20D; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 04:21:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9FD9C14A; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 04:21:42 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="WqzYAgXk"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CE3259C14A; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 04:21:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f180.google.com (mail-qk1-f180.google.com [209.85.222.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1079A9C102 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 04:21:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f180.google.com with SMTP id j20so637623qka.10 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:21:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=L4aFbRCa+GIuCcDMKP8us6thEUL9dOnBhYGVpI+Smo8=; b=WqzYAgXkaH/AUXriXZT3eaRIzlMMMkSYdKbIZx42zNLPMOofrnl84NabxU7RYg+FSA 2TVLtNeaETCI648Vr/Bn4bJuyIki47JsSXAloK1DM24aIWQIYv45LvS2FOLW3hz+gbGw RkoJWaSWlalGqpoj5Fa1cwNOxI8OION5M8o1c= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L4aFbRCa+GIuCcDMKP8us6thEUL9dOnBhYGVpI+Smo8=; b=QZA5SaD4aIQIy8bHh89QJjDKk6SZj/cHnQZkeeAbAIX5CRVrRL6IgCVn6F2HS1hT/P nDU0y2eT76/kWOONtVThFwjUeN8vd+5JKBXGwyMLSViOLRS75mC8Kx5fnCSbQa1GD+iI gYbzpiEuavKGIl7QRyaHl2CqYCCWs6rW1DewUXO4T1a5xJJa1meb2UwezQzAfcLoP5DL 9csSf5bgJZFx4eKbmPPW77DVsfPJ7oAd84rem8zBcdmwhiClNLbqbM/zjz7puAJ17F4m /dQ9Tmqmy//3Mvr5em8n5eOQ2/n7hGo/KDIA1AWk5Zrs4IvA4fzioXC6slg1F14ntj41 IRsA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWe09dbBzlbW4KM6ayRM4m/QRxOR8k8wIgCrEXOh5lkDpXoeF45 HRTx9DLvzBgD5Ly/bDUSrv/SlGVQ3QfXzeZLXrI0+w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxrejxd+G2Qe7hCO1VycxABktO8Y6Ost2LahD3biIXwwmKxqRXB02CD0uVUrkFuKxVOxEq2ekkTDpqPdgWnyps= X-Received: by 2002:a37:48f:: with SMTP id 137mr11816803qke.25.1579717299014; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:21:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:21:13 -0500 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000074355d059cbe98da" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix quix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000074355d059cbe98da Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 12:55 PM Warner Losh wrote: > I thought the answer was "ARPANET" since we had a NCP on 4th edition Unix > in late 1974 or early 1975 from the University of Illinois dating from that > time (the code in TUHS appears to be based on V6 + a number of patches). > Because we can't ask Greg sadly, I think the Holmgren is the last around that would know definitively and I've personally lost track of him. That said, I don't think UofI had anything earlier than 5th edition (I fairly sure that there were very few copies of 4th edition distributed outside of the Bell: i.e. Columbia, NYU and I thought Harvard; but I don't think too many more than that). Lou Katz would be a better source than I, but I was always under the impression that the number 5th editions, the count was also a smaller 2 digit integer. 6th was where Unix began to 'spread' and by 7th, 'go viral.' And to be honest, I personally thought that Steve and Greg did the ArpaNet NCP work on V6, but it might have been v5th I suppose. I did not know about it until the 6th edition work. But, they were fairly early. BTW: I thought the Rand PIPE code was also developed on 6th, but those also might have been 5th. Clem --00000000000074355d059cbe98da Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On W= ed, Jan 22, 2020 at 12:55 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
I=C2=A0 thought= the answer was "ARPANET" since we had a NCP on 4th edition Unix = in late 1974 or early 1975 from the University of Illinois dating from that= time (the code in TUHS appears to be based on V6=C2=A0+ a number of patche= s).
= Because we can't ask Greg sadly, I think the Holmgren is the last aroun= d that would know definitively and I've personally lost track of him.

=
That said, I don't think UofI had anyt= hing earlier than 5th edition (I fairly sure that there were very few copie= s of 4th edition distributed outside of the Bell: i.e. Columbia, NYU and I = thought Harvard; but I don't think too many more than that).=C2=A0 Lou = Katz would be a better source than I, but I was always under the impression= that the number 5th editions, the count was also a smaller 2 digit integer= .=C2=A0 6th was where Unix began to 'spread' and by 7th, 'go vi= ral.'=C2=A0

And to be honest, I perso= nally thought that Steve and Greg did the ArpaNet NCP work on V6, but it mi= ght have been v5th I suppose.=C2=A0 I did not know about it until the 6th e= dition work.=C2=A0 But, they were fairly early.=C2=A0 BTW: I thought the Ra= nd PIPE code was also developed on 6th, but those also might have been 5th.=

Clem=C2=A0
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