From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61782694A for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2024 16:59:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8C6421BA; Sat, 3 Aug 2024 00:59:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8595042198 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2024 00:59:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e05e94a979eso2726537276.0 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 2024 07:59:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1722610759; x=1723215559; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=cEe7izeqqrC8V/5coahDX3fv4VOdcvpHhnpEh+xF6OY=; b=LpYqTJWiWuJfvzk1TlyR1QXEEVw+vFq1tzbB+6jtIdxHwu+uP44pqRzpbSLwj8tdSC R95zKNgP2qjBD2g9OgD9/woxTT2GqtzbkbeqwyfjIIm4qeacif4fuYgbzhQs2yzgpbkY QciXBemLHCjOeY2ABLuqQrh083o61QdpOhJiw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1722610759; x=1723215559; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=cEe7izeqqrC8V/5coahDX3fv4VOdcvpHhnpEh+xF6OY=; b=oaYvFeVml6f/Jdz5yZxI2zqB5QbIstJKCNe60yug2wzoU1w2pe7LZ3wm40/zSwTuWs Ubdm0oyfm8zAOwQ1xyyGNLOn8XyQ1c+di102W6SE2mDAx801a/VdN/MMmt0edNvf8bWq 2TC2PZgi2/J5xkea46SO5FGKnXkMwETfTGeROP9l4/3oRugAxrMJsnjOMdzMHS/V3UpS ZfibsvvMR4l0x4a6IBQ73fOixPz18tz/et/MXv51mise/eQMteam7EFRQRGw+k+05Fs2 10lQHb88d5U5lx3ScOEPaeyXOesJCrQ36HKX5k6I27OARaKbBtv+0fJr+W9U2oBzJN3D lTWg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCVqJAt1o0uFTWG9NdrKXwtJgLtOXabUrESwnaE6ZrUH5JEdLX/24d1+P/1IgTqDdKPhF3o7DihkieHfKkR6 X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzP8hqDY80bAL+KrP32EiP4VP1JSVVRTf+wCbOqFGzJtmcLiKVN 8PP620FtiE+3pgbNXNBz3Qd2wFZcAHQfVnrw1Pl+CAqn+/NosaLNjJj83cZAIZSfSsK75VtMJR0 EA3xGmq6mhKBbW8XUfhNMg3IUM9a73YnN7EwABVz4JEsrhpHKVg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHXu9l7SlzND7RL1gneBDf92U39COCNEHySSgyquhsJIMAoZxWa7f+HzjaxHlMMdAuybGWIo4j+Pcbv59N0HQk= X-Received: by 2002:a25:d0c6:0:b0:e0b:49e0:1422 with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e0bdeb305edmr3420868276.24.1722610759430; Fri, 02 Aug 2024 07:59:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2024 10:58:43 -0400 Message-ID: To: Gregg Levine Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000670bf2061eb49298" Message-ID-Hash: IPGHWAOZDZH4HP4XSQ5SFCLNZRDATUKS X-Message-ID-Hash: IPGHWAOZDZH4HP4XSQ5SFCLNZRDATUKS X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Computer Old Farts Followers X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: SDF Beget's ICM - Interim Computer Museum List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000670bf2061eb49298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg, this needs to move to COFF, so I'm BCCing TUHS in my reply. (My error in the original message was that I should have BCC'd everyone but COFF, so replies were directed there. Mei culpa). However, since I have seen different people on all these lists bemoan the loss of the LCM+L, I hope that by the broader announcement, a number of you will consider the $36/yr membership to help Stephen and his team to be able to keep these systems running and the at least the "labs" port of the old LCM+L mission alive. On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 9:56=E2=80=AFPM Gregg Levine wrote: > Hello! > Pardon me for asking Clem, but would you mind naming the survivors? The details are still coming out from Stephen and friends -- I would recommend listening to his presentation and then maybe joining the List Server at SDF by sending a (plain text) email to majordomo@sdf.org with the subject and body containing the line: subscribe museum-l I have an idea what these Toads are, and of course what Multics happened to > be, but that's it. > LCM+L owned a real Honeywell 6180 front panel. The folks in their lab interfaced it to a microcontroller (I think it was an RP3 or 4, but it could be something like a BeagleBone, I never knew). It was running Multics Release 12.8 on a SimH-derived Honeywell 6180 [I'm not sure if those changes ever made it back to OpenSIMH - I have not personally tried it myself]. This system seems to have been moved to SDF's new site. Also, a number of the MIT Multics tapes had been donated to the LCM+L. These have survived, and the SDF has them. I'll not repeat Stephen's report here, but he describes what they have and are doing. Miss Piggy is the PDP 11/70 that Microsoft purchased and used for their SW original development. It has been running a flavor of Unix Seventh Edition - I do not know what type of updates were added, but I expect the DEC v7m and the V7 addendum to be there. You can log in and try it yourself by ssh menu@sdf.org" and picking Miss Piggy in the UNIX submenu. Miss Piggy used to live and be on display at the LCM+L, but Stephen and the SDF were involved in its admin/operation. Stephen says in his presentation that they are trying to get Miss Piggy back up and running [my >>guess<< is that the "Miss Piggy" instance on the SDF menu is currently running on an OpenSIMH instance while the real hardware is being set up at the new location]. In the early 1980s, as DEC started to de-commit to the 36-bit line after they introduced the 32-bit Vax systems, a number of PDP-10 clones appeared on the market. For instance, the System Concepts SC-40 was what Comp-U-Serve primarily switched to. Similarly, many ex-Stanford AI types forked to create the Toad Systems XXL, a KL10 clone. SDF and LCM+L owned several of these two styles of systems and were on display and available for login. Since Twenex.org is live (and has been) and Stephen shows a picture of the SC40, again, I am (again) >>guessing<< that these have all been moved to the new location for SDF. Stephen mentioned in his presentation that they have the LCM-L's Vax7000 but do not yet have the 3-phase power in their computer room. He suggested that it is one of the most popular machines in the SDF menu, and they intend to make it live shortly. It is unclear what became of some of the other items. It was pointed out that running a CDC6500 is extremely expensive to operate from a power standpoint, so they offer an NOS login using the DTCyber simulator. He never mentioned what became of the former Purdue machine that the LCM owned and had restored. I am interested in knowing what happened to the two PDP-7s. I know that at least one was privately owned, but was being restored and displayed at the LCM+L. It was one of these systems that Unix V0 was resurrected and ran for the UNIX 50th Anniversary Party that the LCM+L hosted. The LCM+L had some interesting peripherals. For instance, the console for Miss Piggy was a somewhat rare ASR37 [which is Upper/Lower case and the "native" terminal for Research Unix]. I hope they have it also. The LCM+L had a number of different types of tape transports for recovering old data. Stephen mentioned that they have some of these but did not elaborate. Clem --000000000000670bf2061eb49298 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greg, this nee= ds to move to COFF,=C2=A0so I'm BCCing TUHS in my reply. (My error in t= he original message was that I should have BCC'd everyone but COFF, so = replies were directed there. Mei culpa).

However, since I have seen= different people on all these lists bemoan the loss of the LCM+L, I hope t= hat by the broader announcement, a number of you will consider the $36/yr m= embership to help Stephen and his team to be able to keep these systems run= ning and the at least the "labs" port of the old LCM+L mission al= ive.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 9:56=E2=80=AFPM Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Hello!
Pardon me for asking Clem, but would you mind naming the survivors?
The details are still comin= g out from Stephen and friends -- I would recommend listening to his presen= tation and then maybe joining the List Server at SDF by sending a (plain te= xt) email to <= a href=3D"mailto:majordomo@sdf.org">majordomo@sdf.org=C2=A0 with = the subject and body containing the line:=C2=A0subscribe=C2=A0museum-l


= I=C2=A0have an idea what these Toads are, and of course what Mu= ltics happened=C2=A0to be, but that's it.
LCM+L owned a real Honeywell 6180 front pane= l. The folks in their lab interfaced it to a microcontroller (I think it wa= s an RP3 or 4, but it could be something like a BeagleBone, I never knew).= =C2=A0 It was running Multics Release 12.8 on a SimH-derived Honeywell 6180= [I'm not sure if those changes ever made it back to OpenSIMH - I have = not personally tried it myself].=C2=A0 =C2=A0This system seems to have been= moved to SDF's new site.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Also, a number of the MIT Multics= tapes had been donated to the LCM+L.=C2=A0 =C2=A0These have survived, and = the SDF has them.=C2=A0 I'll not repeat Stephen's report here, but = he describes what they have and are doing.
Mi= ss Piggy is the PDP 11/70 that Microsoft purchased and used for their SW or= iginal development.=C2=A0 It has been running a flavor of Unix Seventh Edit= ion - I do not know what type of updates were added, but I expect the DEC v= 7m and the V7 addendum to be there.=C2=A0 You can log in and try it yoursel= f by=C2=A0ssh menu@sdf.org= "=C2=A0 and picking Miss Piggy in the UNIX submenu.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Miss Piggy used to live and be on display at the LCM+L, but= Stephen and the SDF were involved in its ad= min/operation. Stephen says in his presentation that they are trying = to get Miss Piggy back up and running [my >>guess<< is that the= "Miss Piggy" instance on the SDF menu is currently running on an= OpenSIMH instance while the real hardware is being set up at the new locat= ion].

=
In the early 1980s, as DEC started to de-c= ommit to the 36-bit line after they introduced the 32-bit Vax systems, a nu= mber of PDP-10 clones appeared on the market.=C2=A0 For instance, the Syste= m Concepts SC-40 was what Comp-U-Serve primarily switched to.=C2=A0 Similar= ly, many ex-Stanford AI types forked to create the Toad Systems XXL, a KL10= clone.=C2=A0 SDF and LCM+L owned several of these two styles of systems an= d were on display and available for login.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Since Twenex.org is = live (and has been) and Stephen shows a picture of the SC40, again, I am (a= gain) >>guessing<< that these have all been moved to the new lo= cation for SDF.

Stephen mentioned in his = presentation that they have the LCM-L's Vax7000 but do not yet have the= 3-phase power in their computer room. He suggested that it is one of the m= ost popular machines in the SDF menu, and they intend to make it live short= ly.

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It is unclear what became of some of = the other items.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It was pointed out that running a CDC6500 is e= xtremely expensive to operate from a power standpoint, so they offer an NOS= login using the DTCyber simulator.=C2=A0 =C2=A0He never mentioned what bec= ame of the former Purdue machine that the LCM owned and had restored.

I am interested in knowing what happened to th= e two PDP-7s.=C2=A0 I know that at least one was privately owned, but was b= eing restored and displayed at the LCM+L.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It was one of these s= ystems that Unix V0 was resurrected and ran for the UNIX 50th Anniversary P= arty that the LCM+L hosted.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The LCM+L had some interesting peri= pherals.=C2=A0 For instance, the console for Miss Piggy was a somewhat rare= ASR37 [which is Upper/Lower case and the "native" terminal for R= esearch Unix].=C2=A0 I hope they have it also.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The LCM+L had=C2= =A0a number of different types of tap= e transports for recovering old data.=C2=A0Stephen mention= ed that they have some of these but did not elaborate.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Clem


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