From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 2e08f9e6 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 16:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CD0D19BBD8; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 02:34:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF509BB4A; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 02:34:24 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="b/u4CL4L"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F2FA89BB4A; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 02:34:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f177.google.com (mail-qk1-f177.google.com [209.85.222.177]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C9449B545 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 02:34:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f177.google.com with SMTP id k6so39948200qki.5 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 08:34:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=tMzOtvXzWKq9zbNOyK/lK9nthUoxtrvTnQddxq9Pusg=; b=b/u4CL4LTHXCuaZGsWozDAXL3A9vSSRTew/9m+r6f16yyudXnKW5JxQJWcQ4dJoY59 BHqO4USI8t1ICTZ/YbqotlgFMytR5CqlZi/7sB/X00FDsnqPp1vKSCs9/mU12fkg3tBc EEkIkCLO2SsMPepii60NLPU/YAg00REJNbBO0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tMzOtvXzWKq9zbNOyK/lK9nthUoxtrvTnQddxq9Pusg=; b=L0J4OxTLlVDWBjXAmO8JtKPtbLdTxGYiYHXZEhy8wlLwxpn4/DAL3mzow4QKhFDOQE nkCKQMBdka+oq0657rFBLz96fMffMsheq69LeKd4w7e0ZE1GqkvvBxvLq12R22r5Nbhk q1WVloxSGFclLvM3+fs3FF7sgPkfQwD32oRMooOnQMTyjWTAo3uvDuxgC1PsP6PqvlU6 PZen0DRievgkheWXe4mqTFmET2yW51vxSwad1c4sa4VyPtNXyjosTL1JkiLZuRmdqGRl xZ9UAHlnwPGzzE+cHPhZhyOF938rzUoKJ8rjngYhcv0MNzXWlVu4Jt2LhxMukYHHWyCY hTtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW+GLlituCL7dI63ynutMKmeYr4Kro22gZB6m15BFTTiw1puLd3 oMHlceIg8+aDudywVCG1bcICmxUUrptubbzCdjtrrovfv+wavw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy+b7gRK9dLBB2U6Ge6Yzw0Gn4l1wN9yBbVgR+xQ3Xbs70Zumv5dXICzZ8S7Bu/8OydAQ+OohpUt8ewhrAJ1q4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4db:: with SMTP id 27mr86286170qks.146.1578328460432; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 08:34:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202001061612.006GBrAb018483@cuzuco.com> In-Reply-To: <202001061612.006GBrAb018483@cuzuco.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:33:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: Brian Walden Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000392e76059b7b3ba5" Subject: Re: [TUHS] sh: cmd | >file X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000392e76059b7b3ba5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:13 AM Brian Walden wrote: > Dennis stated the idea was not his, it came up during csonverastions at a > conference. > Yeah that make sense. I'm pretty sure Joy had talked about it in the Summer '79 USENIX when 2BSD was announced. I remember his talk and a lot of people being awed (sort like what happens today when Linus comes to a conference). As I remember, one of his topics was csh and how it was different from the shell in the original BSD. He must have talked about #! and few other things for kernel (a bunch of speed ups in nami/inode look up IIRC), but that's about all I remember. The next winter was Boulder ('The Black Hole' conference) and he did a redux, and I remember being amazing how people were more interested in what he was saying than some of the folks from BTL and I remember a lot of Pascal questions at Boulder, FWIW. But to be frank, those conferences all sort of mix a little bit in my mind at this point. IIRC: Dennis was there, Bruce Borden and the Rand folks, as were other folks like Chesson and some of the U of I folks. Thanks to my friendships with Ted Kowalsji and later Phil Karn, I had visited the labs a few times and had met Dennis et al in the early mid-70s, but I think that conference was the first time I personally met some of the other university types that I had been communication via the ArpaNet. I might even have an old conference list somewhere, but there was no proceedings yet for a few years. --000000000000392e76059b7b3ba5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On M= on, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:13 AM Brian Walden <tuhs@cuzuco.com> wrote:
Dennis stated the idea w= as not his, it came up during csonverastions at a conference.
Yeah that make sense.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm pretty sure Joy had talked about it in the Summer '= ;79 USENIX when 2BSD was announced.=C2=A0 I remember his talk and a lot of = people being awed (sort like what happens today when Linus comes to a confe= rence).=C2=A0 As I remember, one of his topics was csh and how it was diffe= rent from the shell in the original BSD.=C2=A0 He must have talked about #!= and few other things for kernel (a bunch of speed ups in nami/inode look u= p=C2=A0IIRC), but that's about all I remember.=C2=A0 The next=C2=A0wint= er was Boulder ('The Black Hole' conference) and he did a redux, an= d I remember being amazing how people were more interested in what he was s= aying than some of the folks from BTL and I remember a lot of Pascal questi= ons at Boulder, FWIW.=C2=A0 But to be frank, those conferences all sort of = mix a little bit in my mind at this point.

IIRC:=C2=A0= =C2=A0Dennis was there, Bruce Borden and the Rand folks, as were other folk= s like Chesson and some of the U of I folks. Thanks to my friendships w= ith Ted Kowalsji and later Phil Karn,=C2=A0I had visited the labs a few times and had met Dennis et al in the early=C2=A0mid-70s= , but I think that conference was the first time=C2=A0I <= span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri= f">personally met some of the other university types that I had = been communication=C2=A0via the ArpaNet.=C2=A0 I might even have an = old conference list somewhere, but there was no proceedings yet for a f= ew years.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
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