From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24305 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2021 17:05:03 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Jan 2021 17:05:03 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CD3199C7A3; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 03:05:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679199C669; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 03:04:39 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="ofUvPy4x"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DBB6F9C669; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 03:04:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f174.google.com (mail-qk1-f174.google.com [209.85.222.174]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DE219C63F for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 03:04:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f174.google.com with SMTP id r77so10149848qka.12 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:04:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lvDfl9FSsQlTB34U+MJaR91GYaM4JJfemGobIWlfyfo=; b=ofUvPy4x5EsArBdwz2cDGA1hn1aDPFYOJs0AOEKlpDXh6FWPoToHm9m+0supzR29/Z JSKzzPK4t9lJ37SCrjHoRf+H+Gl2JzoC2hCY3a/QsQZMAP2B+vmu/0d18LuWku/sgM11 ZCoKCwm2CURLKiByWgiQ43qcly9BAAX/UPpsM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lvDfl9FSsQlTB34U+MJaR91GYaM4JJfemGobIWlfyfo=; b=TbzNiOa2lKvIiY55RH9hQ/AQNwrB7zXb1tTr3AVOyn2Y2S3AwBKGMBSEuVpBMIjn5o lZzfFgwROv6kqdK4Bl3VnsNBoH7iEApaNEedn+Hz2bcKQ2yQ3Nyj0K7oRnY03ouN5NSs jDjzCD2rC21WAKvm8ptW55xPtnXaLYFKk46liJ1O6EZ+klJ8Ovc/+gO99HNH2dmSlS0H rAE3oDjKdQbmn0VcbIrF9CKjgPtc/xCjq4sEAEFBu5ufyzPpI0Vk9eqtmsrOa9AFU4lG rjjIf5upazCHeOGyxJXBs9EFuaavMeRWNvIIlaXWPp+tXy6Kh9Dc8wiR6fAmaudc8soa 739Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5301aa5VnSzcnms6+KmbYsh0SZYgC6/WM1nC1H36Dw485GLcMOvM m0nSEDpajlU6PvTT67slzn72yiqv2QXXbfXPa46zJg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxKMqMSyWbEUPheAOMuzGPfYjT0j1F2mTMBcG26Satkxbhl70Zb9uTbW8+qfT6kO8YYBAdFA39LrIKbcedBKm8= X-Received: by 2002:ae9:d881:: with SMTP id u123mr2203428qkf.133.1611507875053; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:04:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: To: ron minnich Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007213fd05b9a86a39" Subject: Re: [TUHS] tangential unix question: whatever happened to NeWS? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000007213fd05b9a86a39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:15 AM ron minnich wrote: > At some point I thought NeWS source was released. Is it just another > Lost Source or it is out there somewhere? > As I have said in other replies: "simple economics always beats sophisticated architecture." I personally never saw the code, although I did play with the result at one point. I believe they licensed Adobe Display PostScript which was one of the issues. IIRC was also a trigger for creating Ghostscript. We toyed with using it for Stellar. IIRC, Andy Van Dam was a big fan. > Do I remember right that it was a Gosling effort? > Yep. Like BLISS vs. C - NeWS did way more than X11 did when it first appeared and it might have had a chance if Sun had not locked it up the same way DEC did with BLISS. Funny, they gave away NFS and basically set a standard that they controlled. I have to believe they made way more money selling systems because NFS was ubiquitous than they would have with license revenue for NFS. I suspect NeWS was justified internally differently and the marketing types saw it as a revenue stream. Larry, can you enlighten us at all? =E1=90=A7 --0000000000007213fd05b9a86a39 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:1= 5 AM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.c= om> wrote:

As I have said in other replies: "simple economics always beats sophisticated architecture.&quo= t;

I personally never saw th= e code,=C2=A0although I did play with the=C2=A0result at one point.=C2=A0 I= believe they licensed Adobe Display PostScript which was one of the issues= .=C2=A0 IIRC was also a trigger for creating Ghostscript.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 We toyed with using it for Stellar.=C2=A0 =C2=A0IIRC, Andy Van Dam w= as a big fan.



Do I remember right that it was a Gosling effort?
= Yep.

Like BLISS vs. C - NeWS= did way more than X11 did when it first appeared and it might have had a c= hance=C2=A0if Sun had not locked it up the same way DEC did with= BLISS.=C2=A0 Funny, they gave away NFS and basically set a standard that t= hey controlled.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I have to believe they made way more money sell= ing systems because NFS was ubiquitous=C2=A0than they would have with licen= se revenue for=C2=A0NFS.=C2=A0

I suspect NeWS was justified internally d= ifferently and the marketing types saw it as a revenue stream.=C2=A0 Larry,= can you enlighten us at all?
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