From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 24962 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2020 01:42:40 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 6 Apr 2020 01:42:40 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 56C8494491; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 11:42:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4179E94484; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 11:41:44 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="Acd+JWvQ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 69F1594484; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 11:41:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f179.google.com (mail-qt1-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8079994482 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 11:41:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f179.google.com with SMTP id y25so11689200qtv.7 for ; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 18:41:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=VkNHjP4/9+8z9agxHQgFADnWm/JciADDT6ViJI+7iQU=; b=Acd+JWvQcaaRm+a9hhSkjFeEg9HQ8JFZu2B0w7HZyE/F+EfGkNE2VRsmxTbqOahmhJ eZAIUBmPLOjLPKDLhgzH25xJy1Y9XCnXbYebSn5mlvvrjpbOct2oeuOq/0a14qy7wjOu va8gqPOFtQxB21owcnEpNhNT6/MurnnqQQ91A= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VkNHjP4/9+8z9agxHQgFADnWm/JciADDT6ViJI+7iQU=; b=mIobr5dhl+9Q9XMs5fj8dUToQwHLpCpsSzezdc82OjYR0F/NSV+dvlk9KZEqpqcqHC bvgR2kZaLZcnYbh2oGhr7Si0ABsa9xSuVgEigCdznag2SP0ogAQw++z9ElEvKHx7ads1 3zCb6SEyzKjzukzEjaJF7mW5HnOV89Nmb00TvGJKn7yL2aZiIUisUs7xlWc+gZ3n9BSU wakeHaquqiBOMWB7vgZbZF5sUNapnqD6MZsOHgM9M5qPKvGWg0pkddF9XtO0K7wiJkrJ Jh5jk5cxQsObVI9M1YuTBGSmJw4f1Y7stO1zTiX3jXpRC09/T3uAZDduBgyz1mg5QSRf FHhQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYO6Ea8OjHxHAjVcReF0ZBGYiY/8Jc6YHjPCeO91kCh1+Aeh/o1 mvHTQvseZpITEq0uticAfdtbdV2W2MBLr7TeOXr/zRmZTnM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJp8XCxvjPZ/wxlcJ/sxNnhZQzx4pcA5707QJfKnlg9xXA4qt3sH3tmOXcoUd670qm4COZK8oFATA0ady491SY= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7316:: with SMTP id x22mr19658065qto.4.1586137299474; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 18:41:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1jKkMQ-2hN-00@marmaro.de> <854f7b58-9ba0-476f-a7e6-8579f4a8048d@localhost> <1jKlvG-4JB-00@marmaro.de> <3A36FF0A-7617-4B26-B4F3-FC183BF9A7FC@ronnatalie.com> <20200406000814.GH25105@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:41:28 -0400 Message-ID: To: Michael Usher Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004cfa6505a2955e28" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First book on Unix for general readership X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000004cfa6505a2955e28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That=E2=80=99s it. On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 8:46 PM Michael Usher wrote: > I tried an ngram search on google, and came up with the following: > > Richard L. Gauthier. October 1981. Using the Unix System, Reston > Publishing Co. ISBN 978-0835981644. > > That seems to precede the Bourne book. > > Available at amazon: > https://www.amazon.com/Using-Unix-System-Richard-Gauthier/dp/0835981649 > > Michael > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:28 PM Clem Cole wrote: > >> Two thoughts ... >> >> 1.) Lion's was not a general book. It really was more of a kernel >> 'here-is-how-the-magic-happens.' It's still the best I know for that. >> BTW: it did not leak. It was purchasable from WE. But the cost was h= igh >> and it was hard to get (you had a price you had a license and could not >> buy/order it at any book store - I don't think it had an ISBN or a libra= ry >> congress number originally). >> >> I know a couple of the schools (like CMU) wanted to use it for the OS >> course, but there was some hang-up associated with it in the mid-70s, wh= ich >> I don't remember - we did have a couple of sections passed out for a few >> lecture. But because of how it was bound (and short), it was photocopie= d s >> others have pointed out. >> >> I think Michigan managed to use the whole thing for their OS course, as = I >> seem to remember that both Ted Kowalski and Bill Joy got copies there >> (although my memory is that they both had photocopies not the original >> Orange and Red bindings). Ted brought it to CMU, which is how I first s= aw >> it (and I think my original copy was a duplicate of his). And I remember >> seeing a photocopy in wnj's office at UCB. The first time I saw >> the official Red/Orange bound version was when I ordered it at Tektronix >> from WE a few years later, but I had to leave it there when I went back = to >> grad school. >> >> >> 2.) The question asked about general 'Unix' text -- my favorite is still >> Rob and Brian's and I still recommend it (particularly to learn how to >> >>use<< UNIX/Linux today by doing the exercises), but it was not first. >> Steve's certainly was early and I thought it was a good explanation and >> until Rob and Brian became available was what I suggested when people >> asked. In fact, early Masscomp system's shipped Bourne's text, until Ti= m >> wrote the original 'UNIX In a Nutshell' that started his empire. That >> said, I do seem to remember there was another book around the same time >> (79-80 ish) that had a light blue cover that came from one 'PC-press' >> publishers. I wish I could remember the author and the name. I rememb= er >> looking at a copy in Powell's in Portland when it came out and not being >> impressed. >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 8:08 PM Larry McVoy wrote: >> >>> Do the Bell Labs technical journals count? I have a collection of Unix >>> papers that were puled out and published together in two volumes. That >>> stuff was a gold mine of information in the 80's. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 07:57:55PM -0400, Ronald Natalie wrote: >>> > The Lions book wasn???t really published back in the day. It was >>> only targetted at his students in Australia (though copies leaked out). >>> > >>> > The manuals aren???t really a book (and again, they weren???t really >>> published as a book) and most of the prose on UNIX was more in the form= of >>> articles than an entire book. >>> >>> -- >>> --- >>> Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com >>> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm >>> >> > > -- > Michael Usher > Senior Wireless Network Engineer > University of California, Santa Cruz > musher@ucsc.edu 831-459-3697 > --=20 Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --0000000000004cfa6505a2955e28 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That=E2=80=99s it. =C2=A0

On Sun, Apr 5, 2= 020 at 8:46 PM Michael Usher <musher@= ucsc.edu> wrote:
I tried an ngram search on google, and came up with the following:
Richard L. Gauthier. October 1981.=C2=A0Using the Unix Sys= tem, Reston Publishing Co.=C2=A0 ISBN=C2=A097= 8-0835981644.

That seems to precede the Bourne book= .

Available at amazon:

Michael


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:28 PM Clem Col= e <clemc@ccc.com&= gt; wrote:
Two thoughts ...

1.) Lion's was not= a general book.=C2=A0 It really was more of a kernel 'here-is-how-the-= magic-happens.'=C2=A0 =C2=A0It's still the best I know for that.=C2= =A0 BTW:=C2=A0 it did not leak.=C2=A0 It was purchasable from WE.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0But the cost was high and it was hard to get (you had a price you had a = license and could not buy/order it at any=C2=A0book store - I don't thi= nk it had an ISBN or a library congress number originally).

I know a couple of the schools (like CMU) wanted to use it for the OS= course, but there was some hang-up associated with it in the mid-70s, whic= h I don't remember - we did have a couple of sections passed out for a = few lecture.=C2=A0 But because of how it was bound (and short), it was phot= ocopied s others have pointed out.=C2=A0

I think Michi= gan managed to use the=C2=A0whole thing for their OS course, as I seem to r= emember that both Ted Kowalski and Bill Joy got copies there (although my m= emory is that they both had photocopies not the original Orange and Red bin= dings).=C2=A0 Ted brought it to CMU, which=C2=A0is how I first saw it (and = I think my original copy was a duplicate of his). And I remember seeing a p= hotocopy in wnj's office at UCB.=C2=A0 The first time=C2=A0I saw the=C2= =A0official=C2=A0Red/Orange bound version was when I ordered=C2=A0it at Tek= tronix from WE a few years=C2=A0later, but I had to leave it there when I w= ent back to grad school.


2.) The question= asked about general 'Unix' text -- my favorite is still Rob and=C2= =A0Brian's and I still recommend it (particularly to learn how to >&= gt;use<< UNIX/Linux today by doing the exercises), but it was not fir= st.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Steve's certainly was early and I thought it was a good= explanation and until Rob and Brian became available was what I suggested = when people asked.=C2=A0 In fact, early Masscomp system's shipped Bourn= e's text, until Tim wrote the original 'UNIX In a Nutshell' tha= t started his empire.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 That said, I do seem to remember there w= as another book around the same time (79-80 ish) that had a light blue cove= r that came from one 'PC-press' publishers.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I wish I co= uld remember the author and the name.=C2=A0 I remember looking at a copy in= Powell's in Portland when it came out and not being impressed.

On= Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 8:08 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
Do the Bell Labs technical journals count?= =C2=A0 I have a collection of Unix
papers that were puled out and published together in two volumes.=C2=A0 Tha= t
stuff was a gold mine of information in the 80's.

On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 07:57:55PM -0400, Ronald Natalie wrote:
> The Lions book wasn???t really published back in the day.=C2=A0 =C2=A0= It was only targetted at his students in Australia (though copies leaked ou= t).
>
> The manuals aren???t really a book (and again, they weren???t really p= ublished as a book) and most of the prose on UNIX was more in the form of a= rticles than an entire book.

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University of California, Santa Cruz
musher@ucsc.edu= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0831-459-3697
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