From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id e3e89e78 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5264D9C20E; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 06:43:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846019C104; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 06:42:49 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="QaVg2nAQ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DC0FC9C104; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 06:42:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f178.google.com (mail-qk1-f178.google.com [209.85.222.178]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 521509C102 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 06:42:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f178.google.com with SMTP id d10so1175415qke.1 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 12:42:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=i6K7MrjHgP/s9aMzXLpjGvslUw4edqTXubZ8w54A/kM=; b=QaVg2nAQ0RzPSDPboBySyThnz3bNdSEhgqWGdGZSwxn3JUH5M1rb7oJXKBUwr11a+w /R7+iKcz4o6/huNIE3F0lAzs1NsM6qCLbg6MDwoRBaWrffnCW+bwwLi9jR0HdE16PwQs MXuv6k9wnj3YmA9/KKSOgnfniP9pH/L/oC7B0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=i6K7MrjHgP/s9aMzXLpjGvslUw4edqTXubZ8w54A/kM=; b=I72RoDDAcLZouuLW7ShhiQyk1JioyPnxj9E53TK6cmf3ZjutEhmQ+Agbt2FRJ2VqMT IIVQ5Brvcrlmf87jgk+SiB3YFNmjwy+XQG/BLVOqDp3HjoDjPYmzI38qj7i5HeJpnS7x AUdK7QzMllNnon3n5sRSbBI0PByjHnUqvOGBhf16P8EYPAEG0zramB90aoCpFdK0rGlU bKKnYqpHnj2kH3Gzf1n4uy2n+OCbwNxShvRrLU902/TNyEkVLH6GBIhfhaqwCyGlJ7aO VfdxOL7pVoibT+x4PZZZXkSDJqw7D0Wk69Yp1kAsKgrgih5JLPz/SmbN2osTVKhA7aH/ MQ5A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV+g4NILEK5zu9J0VaNMckEZVzh4YCQCIfSCJgZj/oI9AWsQSY1 lSHe03npji8Vk5//62E2R2wGEpewGJCx7xNjObM+Yg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyZb5cmMYhdyocwOOOscqgPHRXyrXaRIigRsAcXPWsSx49MbW9FKYSo2VzU8njW6+E7PSsJtpxJStVuVmL/rCI= X-Received: by 2002:a37:48f:: with SMTP id 137mr12549934qke.25.1579725764218; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 12:42:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 15:42:18 -0500 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000004e66e059cc09163" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix quix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000004e66e059cc09163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:42 PM Warner Losh wrote: > > Berkeley's license was executed in January 74, so it might be on the list, > unless there was a big delay. > That makes sense. > In addition to the Nov 1975 CACM paper, there's CAC 155, published by the > University of Illinois on 3/15/75 which pre-dates the 6th edition by a few > months. You can read it here > https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/32547/networkunixsyste155holm.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y if > you'd like. > Thanks, that tells us it was 5th (BTW the PDF is missing page 1 in the scan - although I suspect the missing info can be gleaned from RFC 681) BTW: There is another hint in CAC 155/RFC 681. The line on page 2 that reads: "since the user is allowed only sixteen open files." My memory is V6 allowed more than 16, over 20 is my memory; but we would have to look at the structure to see what it is defined as. > > RFC 681, dated March 18th, 1975, is another instance of an edited CAC 155 > report (it seems, I've not looked at them exactly, just a quick glance) > that talks about this work. It's the earliest mention of Unix in an RFC > (the next one isn't until 2 years later for an email address for Dave > Crocker DCrocker@Rand-Unix in RFC 724 in May 1977 after which it explodes > in references). > And that pretty much syncs with my memory of the time. --00000000000004e66e059cc09163 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:42 PM Warner Losh <= imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
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Than= ks, that tells us it was 5th (BTW the PDF is missing page 1 in the scan - a= lthough I suspect the missing info can be gleaned from RFC 681)

<= font color=3D"#0000ff">BTW: There is another hint in CAC 155/RFC 681.=C2=A0= The line on page 2 that reads: "since the user is allowed only sixteen <= /span>open files."=C2=A0 =C2=A0My memory is V6 allowed more than 16, over 20 is my memory; b= ut we would have to look at the structure to see what it is defined as.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0

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RFC 681, dated March 18th, 1975, is another instance of an edited CAC 155= report=C2=A0 (it seems, I've not looked at them exactly, just a quick = glance) that talks about this work. It's the earliest mention of Unix i= n an RFC (the next one isn't until 2 years later for an email address f= or Dave Crocker=C2=A0DCrocker@Rand-Unix in RFC 724 in May 1977 after which = it explodes in references).
<= font color=3D"#0000ff">And that pretty much syncs with my memory of the tim= e.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
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