From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ecab6bb5 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9008394816; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:51:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3587894790; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:51:29 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="sJpw7/Bi"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 59F0D94790; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:51:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f49.google.com (mail-wm1-f49.google.com [209.85.128.49]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A939793D35 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:51:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f49.google.com with SMTP id t17so5160365wmi.2 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:51:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=K3IkokvxEmr4imivDQU7H3+3BFGVO9lDAIIRs0O7HGI=; b=sJpw7/BiFsHBeCJrBR2Ng5aTfUuUQ+QWewlU5PFpF/hjGybntZMHYXrQJqYSZ7X7+u 0dLHNLppPxsF1U/906Yc7uL5V9MbDUCf6bBCjHwV71dAQU/euE7QNYtNtQLNzbAQ9X9g /SHW6dMrwLxYLNLIheVIsHnVK1qSOW8CYzprU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=K3IkokvxEmr4imivDQU7H3+3BFGVO9lDAIIRs0O7HGI=; b=BZBmuPAVf1U5vdD6X5U9tfderPg0NZpAYi9QkF8h8HMLc5lfpsdUsvumZL9gNyuYc8 o7Sk+UzTUXnElBWpRMVLxakA1iWjdD1YDOAyLKvN7PdvGxqj/lZIOORiDgS18+kuIGSZ RUj+5StWD2Q+G84fMhOrBKaZ/IIr3aZfyQYJF6A7oLx389oEy0HKO6u6oS7f/M0a6N6K BTUOZiM4K6uauMyyQPeHPxuearOWanSGBH6aC0jJ5SdzHXbjORoNQffqGVY7e5Qsy9J4 ewSAEJW0WitPq7VWwMKIileG+ac5Zj/2hjzak75CDxRwPvEiAR+SlBqwJvsZTOHip5QI wGCA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVJDaEXtH/VKK0woF/e4f0xv2koxiwI5joViKO4ay0ZnnHRB8H2 zLXDowP6e8khD8akIDYs5VPzHrpgPsnq6KYO63I8Fb7Qbzs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx1vH/umPThyCvQHNHEVXK1+1LIgU0L5W8gIVuO2cjXo6i6iY2r8tgkhs3Ph1cAX6FlQt9CCT/vcToNAYnmVWI= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:ca0f:: with SMTP id a15mr5617996wmg.102.1568238685219; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:51:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190911181101.GF3143@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20190911181101.GF3143@mcvoy.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:50:59 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c1828605924e05e8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] PWB vs Unix/TS X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000c1828605924e05e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:11 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > The problem was that Sun was in financial hot water and AT&T wanted SVR4 > to be the industry standard. ... It would have been > much better if Sun had licensed their source base to AT&T and then > AT&T could have leveraged the industry standard. I think those two statements say everything. Sun was not in a position to negotiate and AT&T desperately wanted SVR4 to be the standard - I think it was corporate pride. (which I also think was mixed up the BSDi/UCB case too - if they had let it go it would have been a darned site smarter). If AT&T could have swallowed and excepted somebody other than them having the 'high order bit' it might have worked. As you say, leveraged the industry standard. Instead is just added to the fighting. --000000000000c1828605924e05e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:11= PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wr= ote:
The problem was that Sun was in financial hot water and AT&= ;T wanted SVR4
to be the industry standard.=C2=A0...=C2=A0 It would have been much better if Sun had licensed their source base to AT&T and then
AT&T could have leveraged the industry standard.=C2=A0=C2=A0
I think those two statements say everything.=C2=A0 Sun wa= s not in a position to negotiate and AT&T desperately wanted SVR4 to be= the standard - I think it was corporate pride. (which I also think was mix= ed up the BSDi/UCB case too - if they had let it go it would have been a da= rned site smarter).

If AT&T could ha= ve swallowed and excepted somebody other than them having the 'high ord= er bit' it might have worked.=C2=A0 As you say, leveraged the industry = standard.=C2=A0 Instead is just added to the fighting.

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