From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id df5dbe08 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 15:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CE56D9EE04; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 01:45:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614C19E5BE; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 01:44:53 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b=K6XqC4t7; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AFDB89E5BE; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 01:44:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io0-f181.google.com (mail-io0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C64579E5BD for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 01:44:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io0-f181.google.com with SMTP id u23-v6so9273142ioc.13 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:44:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cVA1NhabXUEfdbacjy2kcKxJdqoOiYu3MYzIkV2C+ZE=; b=K6XqC4t7T8Aa9xzXqk+xRDKT0NnoCpqSsr8ogZlnStbFkWMgQ9ibFZCMwYalNdsj+v aHNZlRWBzHLNS3jKDuDOZ+BPzOusrWT0bz4Br0cqpW0mNAN0ZlykrFo9046wDiNp/EV/ hsrxbNZ4K22oeySCFkoqyAWKGezoReSXa56rU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cVA1NhabXUEfdbacjy2kcKxJdqoOiYu3MYzIkV2C+ZE=; b=HsqWp5PvXT+g2BH7w9yPLg6IJQNH5JasKcGmsbXfSixFntEgwjaOCAWSl4Sp9ZC3SU 3ZXx8WtbY/E7nPyUoMSevBl1DZcDab33W+9Cg3h84FSziMmppaX04CXoin58FV2ZpG7H 5VsEjU+4uynmivvE/f4Bs3pN2RQG2vFCkmRm0iT5smZ0baG7zvbnfmvGnM3UJ4ILQzDf 1/bEoR6dkGVpCGd1YM7SyonhEf1flIgFr0rTnC8iVwjD8UG1Op6tJJ2HwWTRjlnh9D3h ZjIHsMuztMZEVv0IQb4myh5LSI85ySnn1Lak9UEcXgGzirb6kLBhy3pl1os2y62NpwCy V6FQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2sJ96MMk5IjYxzEiDMgTzcDSu8eUXmWVhk0gP8jm8aDFLPunJq yjNJaYL7xGVTGWET9UFIyux7m4RhNyXsxX+Y7khJK/8y X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpeXdAhhXXITUIcZ3ys7r6axKJOzPwifCkYFzYn8PIFq14jCvBt9RXnRLfmVujMnNII3SQpEv+DHMdD9I8hFPIg= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:9e43:: with SMTP id h64-v6mr6759427ioe.283.1529941490174; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:44:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4f:ca8a:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:44:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180625144454.EAB7918C082@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20180625144454.EAB7918C082@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 11:44:19 -0400 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000ca285056f7943e1" Subject: Re: [TUHS] off-topic list X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Grant Taylor Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000000ca285056f7943e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Noel, I did a quick look at that code. That is some of it for sure - looks like the parts in /usr/bin and maybe some of /usr/lib (MH was scatter all of the file system in traditional UNIX manner -- lots of small programs - each to do one job only - each fit in a small address PDP-11 just fine). The docs are missing and the MTA part is not there (which I think I remember was called 'submit' - but I could be very wrong on that). It's the second version because that code is using stdio, the first version used a Rand IO library, if I remember right (not the portable C library). Clem PS For all you younger readers to this list, you need to remember that for early C, I/O was specifically not defined as part of the language (in some sense it is still not), so many early programs had their own libraries and its a good way to date things. If the code is using stdio, it actually more 'modern' in the life of the PDP-11 [post 'typesetter C']. BTW: I can say, in the mid 1970s, I personally found the lack of defined I/O confusing when I was learning the language and (remember Dennis has not yet written the 'White Book' which was really part of V7). It was one of my bitches about C compared to BLISS, which was what I was coming and was a very rich system at CMU - while I/O in C was really a pain because ever program did it different - everybody wrote their own routines - which I thought was silly. Soon there after the 'portable C library' appeared and then with typesetter C, stdio. =E1=90=A7 On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Clem Cole > > > I may have the the original Rand MH release somewhere. > > There's this: > > https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DSRI-NOSC/mh > > Not sure how modified from the formal release this is, it may be pretty > much > the original (it's certainly quite old - pre-TCP/IP). > > Noel > --0000000000000ca285056f7943e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Noel, I did a quick look at that code.=C2=A0 =C2=A0That= is some of it for sure - looks like the parts in /usr/bin and maybe some o= f /usr/lib (MH was scatter all of the file system in traditional UNIX manne= r -- lots of small programs - each to do one job only - each fit in a small= address PDP-11 just fine).=C2=A0 The docs are missing and the MTA part is = not there (which I think I remember was called 'submit' - but I cou= ld be very wrong on that).=C2=A0 =C2=A0It's the second version because = that code is using stdio, the first version used a Rand IO library, if I re= member right (not the portable C library).

Clem
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PS For all you younger readers to this list, you need to rem= ember that for early C, I/O was specifically not defined as part of the lan= guage (in some sense it is still not), so many early programs had their own= libraries and its a good way to date things.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If the code is us= ing stdio, it actually more 'modern' in the life of the PDP-11 [pos= t 'typesetter C'].=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BTW: I can say, in the mid 19= 70s, I personally found the lack of defined I/O confusing when I was learni= ng the language and (remember Dennis has not yet written the 'White Boo= k' which was really part of V7).=C2=A0 =C2=A0It was one of my bitches a= bout C compared to BLISS, which was what I was coming and was a very rich s= ystem at CMU - while I/O in C was really a pain because ever program did it= different - everybody wrote their own routines - which I thought was silly= .=C2=A0 =C2=A0Soon there after the 'portable C library' appeared an= d then with typesetter C, stdio.

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On Mon, J= un 25, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu&g= t; wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > From:= Clem Cole

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I may have the the original Rand MH release somewhere.
There's this:

=C2=A0 https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DSRI-NOSC/mh

Not sure how modified from the formal release this is, it may be pretty muc= h
the original (it's certainly quite old - pre-TCP/IP).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Noel

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