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From: clemc@ccc.com (Clem Cole)
Subject: [TUHS] Dash options
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 13:20:41 -0500	[thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <20171128131942.6705918C092@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

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dash as switches were always explained to me as from Multics.   Having used
DEC systems, Univax and IBM systems originally with cards and ASR33s, I was
not yet stubborn enough to see value one way or the other (the links in
ROMs in my fingers were not yet programmed).  By the time I left CMU and
the glass tty was all I was willing to use.  I had become a UNIX/C person
more than anything else, so slashes as switches (and upper case and case
folding) had become annoying and just seemed wrong.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:

> According to "The Evolution of the Unix Timesharing System", full path
> names
> arrived later than I/O redirection, so by they time they needed a
> separator,
> '>' and '<' were gone.

​That was the impression I had had and I admit I think I must have either
assumed it, heard it in conversation, or maybe read it at some point in
this paper.   Cann't say when I started to think same, but I came to UNIX
in Fifth and Sixth so, they were already there.  I was just learning the
'UNIX way' at the time.​   I guess because I was using so many
different systems at the time, I was more willing to accept every dialect
had its way of doing things.   As Greg points out EXEC-8 was hardly
anything like TSS/360 and learned them together.   Same as TOPS/TWINEX and
eventually VMS.

Funny, things is I left those other systems and then was forced to come
back to them, first RT11 and then NOS/KRONOS and then VMS and I remember
grumbling.  By then the ROMs had been forced in my muscle memory.

'/' also has the advantage of being a non-shift
> ​ ​
> character!
>
​Hmm, so was dot, which is what TSS and MTS used.​  DEC was using it as the
<base>.<ext> separator, but I think Ken could have used it as easily at the
time since the idea of <ext> and exposing semantics of what the file was in
the name was foreign to UNIX (although was used in other systems as we
know).
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Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-28 13:19 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-28 18:20 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2017-11-28 21:56   ` Dave Horsfall
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-11-29 14:03 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-29 20:29 ` Charles Anthony
2017-11-29  1:23 Doug McIlroy
2017-11-29  1:37 ` George Michaelson
2017-11-29  2:22 ` Charles Anthony
     [not found] <mailman.376.1511899437.9955.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2017-11-28 21:30 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2017-11-28  5:51 Jon Steinhart
2017-11-28  6:05 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-28  6:49   ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-11-28 11:18     ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-28 11:49       ` Michael Kjörling
2017-11-28 12:46         ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-28 18:01       ` Lawrence Stewart
2017-11-28 19:36     ` Paul Winalski
2017-11-28 20:03       ` Clem Cole
2017-11-28  6:28 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2017-11-29 19:16   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
     [not found]     ` <20171204054651.GA17671@eureka.lemis.com>
     [not found]       ` <20171204215701.l9Pvr%steffen@sdaoden.eu>
2017-12-05 13:22         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-12-07  5:15           ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey

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