From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1345 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2022 21:36:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Nov 2022 21:36:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667FD41DC4; Fri, 4 Nov 2022 07:36:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f44.google.com (mail-vs1-f44.google.com [209.85.217.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 196F040614 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2022 07:36:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f44.google.com with SMTP id 128so3153489vse.6 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2022 14:36:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xwlgx5zxNtIl+YA7hq4DySTjgNOh5ncawXubVOx+/7M=; b=JpoVgcNtpOvt+XHS+/oaQm9hnPtXDRh74t3AjCPSNlaTx+xzVHxNfTbs8iV6MrKYgJ RhqB+038DYThJZw3VG912icir43bbSJ7R6Qq6aJ0dppgZ6D6No/dvjv8uMeK45fdyP4X 2VYavi8PhlydpWiNk2LqgsPLIrzxZpFnBARQ8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=xwlgx5zxNtIl+YA7hq4DySTjgNOh5ncawXubVOx+/7M=; b=120dVl5UjMggUI8czTPI3fM8V0J4C/hstjBf2RNdnxFgZlyYTvtsMbAWTyXMnY51/v 7w1ZgS/VF3q0E9RwNQpM/SrQcA1YYKEOc+oMUOv8zScy1l+C4iU/U2RmA0fnw+n9VGet A56oxzf6RbhgwPGT1nHMQc/7mqnANB/6XwJewET55nPwpw9tTu2AyTcNCmnt39qyzOd7 5H0ZuN7+HcHUrtZnGi0htArEm1dK8nxFSgXrR22a8UTI4JNDBUeg5Nx8GWSXYWo96rJQ b2pD9VMkbIiEAak917DfVG0yoG062FJGVb/xv9pgCxFucNXCkfpa8Q148zhc04+aEiWe VtnA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf02uLr7nLaS1FfFsh/66+mbhi3CVNgE5KZi3JQK6UScK6OOp76W V1dIXxlM+PFd9W+uQvDoZQcRaVzBt7o5KhPLjlm0Fw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5dxH1zA2g/QoDLxv+7lulit3noIhyyERiqNJP+JjC1YueUC6c1mODTiPoM6hm1WhjUvqB/7oAGpDIwSvsK32w= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:a86:b0:3ad:5fa9:cbef with SMTP id n6-20020a0561020a8600b003ad5fa9cbefmr5615054vsg.41.1667511325746; Thu, 03 Nov 2022 14:35:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7b249e68-de74-2c81-32b0-18ecb74a85ec@aueb.gr> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 17:34:59 -0400 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003afd3505ec97bcc0" Message-ID-Hash: HDYTHMKNDKEESOUBENR2TDOTEHBG262S X-Message-ID-Hash: HDYTHMKNDKEESOUBENR2TDOTEHBG262S X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: vi in cooked mode? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000003afd3505ec97bcc0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:55 PM Warner Losh wrote: > > There were a diversity of emacs clones for unix as well... > Absolutely... But the first in wide used in the UNIX world was Gosling EMACS which appeared outside of CMU soon after UCB dropped 4.1 in early 1980, probably the next was Zimmerman (*a.k.a.* CCA) EMACS, then GNU hacked Gosling's version (that strange trip has been discussed elsewhere and I'll not add it here). Zimmer's version was 'truer' to the original MIT/PDP-10 version from ITS than Gosling but Steve had built it when he worked for CCA so it was licensed (which we had a Masscomp and made available to our customers). To my knowledge Gosling's version never fit on any PDP-11 nor Gnu, I'm not sure if Steve ever got his to work on a split I/D [Noel might know]. I do know some of my MIT friends used to grouse about the differences between CMU EMACS and ITS EMACS. That said, there was also at least one microemacs which was originally for CPM and MSDOS IIRC, that got moved a number of the UNIX boxes which may be what you are referring. I seem to remember that was released on netnews and was a lot smaller. I never messed with it, because by then I had the address space of and I could run Gosling or Zimmerman. =E1=90=A7 --0000000000003afd3505ec97bcc0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On T= hu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:55 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:

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There were a diversit= y of emacs clones for unix as well...
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But t= he first in wide used=C2=A0in the UNIX world was Gosling=C2=A0EMACS which a= ppeared outside of CMU soon after=C2=A0UCB dropped 4.1 in early 1980, proba= bly the next was Zimmerman (a.k.a. CCA) EMACS, then GNU hacked=C2=A0= Gosling's version (that strange trip has been discussed elsewhere and I= 'll not add it here).=C2=A0 Zimmer's version was 'truer' to= the original MIT/PDP-10 version from ITS than Gosling but Steve=C2=A0had b= uilt it when he worked for CCA so it was licensed (which we had a Masscomp = and made available to our customers).=C2=A0 To my knowledge Gosling's v= ersion never fit on any PDP-11 nor Gnu, I'm not sure if Steve ever got = his to work on a split I/D [Noel might know].=C2=A0 =C2=A0I do know some of= my MIT friends used to grouse about the differences between CMU EMACS and = ITS EMACS. That said, there was also at least one microemacs which was orig= inally for CPM and MSDOS=C2=A0IIRC, that got moved a number of the UNIX box= es which may be what you are referring.=C2=A0 I seem to remember that was r= eleased on netnews and was a lot smaller.=C2=A0 I never messed with it, bec= ause by then I had the address space of and I could run Gosling or Zimmerma= n.
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