From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13666 invoked from network); 19 May 2023 20:17:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 May 2023 20:17:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B150441297; Sat, 20 May 2023 06:17:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x932.google.com (mail-ua1-x932.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::932]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6A0741201 for ; Sat, 20 May 2023 06:17:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x932.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-783f88ce557so2100567241.3 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 13:17:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1684527460; x=1687119460; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=kK1FNnrIvYEpcOE6Q4930Lvdk0b70hIrL6n6/g7AvQw=; b=Z7fs41XvFAqIGAlpuekKf9SqLckmtsXuixVf9qCZRaEg9WhvYBUe/UUTVogcjYSvoI Gy5WSYsUiHz3Id9H1yWr5yQhxqc3bdZGi8BoHFsGFEKY4M/8VYiuRxfURVM3qHiVIaZm V/u4H4KJOziFGpDwLhqxCWduIA98/WMXv5oi8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684527460; x=1687119460; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=kK1FNnrIvYEpcOE6Q4930Lvdk0b70hIrL6n6/g7AvQw=; b=DPijlwe+tI43c5K69CW5Spa/6tU0XkPn4z9nrFEreM7DCXSP0q6SKVXeAysRNL1NV1 LGkX1yZvXyfXNXONAOeAsD+tQWReF6u9H+34K6nwFi7YfPHGa1k7OTJ74OjkJOMwc5Ac 11EYK/40d5mUDbAZ1sjZI9sQ+kpQvBJn9uxtAfJBPCW8gqosJDTxbvFByQhb6WyH6KK3 pLXZjYa0X7MnAZjKDLDEraxDAigDZOiZyWaEGLLepS1h0H+n6h7RRVxLOUGMMBhkpcNl 0pq2tfvV3kwWoOCry/z3W2efhtgmGWgJ8xCgMxZf17+T7XYXZWhdYW9XslHF1+2IY3It lhAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDzASRXjwwtiQzoTlvcQ/zfoBF4pFLiuV0FoFYFPbL/00d5Ro3qf /8IQyMKJQNoJ3Bf5G3012iAOIKmtm8xk/WT66yXxr/JuohgRi3G0wBRC6Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7TlPYrvg83uukYABVBNX+b4zB4g0w5BIjPJvo2gMw+v9nAWk4HLi7/1jjESLBYv9OOqZ0QNdVtb21ii3ygEdM= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:df42:0:b0:44f:d211:2df3 with SMTP id w63-20020a1fdf42000000b0044fd2112df3mr1681684vkg.13.1684527459116; Fri, 19 May 2023 13:17:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 16:17:13 -0400 Message-ID: To: KenUnix Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d0bc8b05fc119cd5" Message-ID-Hash: KHOTKZEKXICNWGSTRQKI4LCBJ3XAIDIF X-Message-ID-Hash: KHOTKZEKXICNWGSTRQKI4LCBJ3XAIDIF X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: UNIX TUHS Group X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Documentation for Sys-V basic interpreter List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000d0bc8b05fc119cd5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable s/which had the version of PWB/which had the version of bs(1) from PWB running on 4.xBSD/ =E1=90=A7 On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 4:15=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole wrote: > Sure the sources and a man page or two exists. Ken Thompson wrote bas(1) > and bs(1) was Dick Haight - which IIRC correctly, was ~78/79. Haight's > program which would go out as part of System V --- was first distributed > outside of the labs in System III. I would have expected man pages in > either source distribution. I don't have those online to check and I don= 't > tend to bother with System V as its historically less interesting. > > That said, one thing I do remember is that the primary version of bs from > the PWB family (certainly the one we had at UCB) was a little different > from the version I saw in a couple of the BTL sites later. My >>memory<< > here (which could be flawed) was the CB Unix folks added a few features -= - > like a set of plotting function that Whippany picked up etc. I only > remember this because we were working with a number of different places > (from different AT&T labs to IBM, Intel, NS, HP, Tek, etc.) when we > developed the UCB CAD tools. I remember and an incident where one of th= e > Bell folks we had at UCB had brought some thing with him that relied on t= he > strange bs dialec -- i.e. did not run on the UCB CAD systems - which had > the version of PWB. It was close, but made calls to some extra stuff (plo= t > and the like IIRC). > > My suggestion, as always start in the TUHS archives and look there -- tha= t > will be the most complete of what was released. That said, Disk4 of Kirk= 's > set will have all the stuff we had in /usr/local (like cpio etc..) on the > UCB systems. FWIW: I'm fairly sure the sources and the man pages will be > with Kirk's trove. But I don't believe BSD ever released it, as it was > not part of V7, so you will not find it in a formal BSD distribution tape= . > > =E1=90=A7 > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:07=E2=80=AFAM KenUnix = wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> Was any documentation ever done for the basic interpreter >> that was on System-V? >> >> Things like allowed keywords or special keywords. >> >> Thanks >> Ken >> >> >> -- >> WWL =F0=9F=93=9A Okey Dokey OK Boss >> >> >> --000000000000d0bc8b05fc119cd5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 4:15=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
Sure the sources and a man p= age or two exists.=C2=A0 Ken Thompson wrote bas(1) and bs(1) was=C2=A0Dick H= aight - which IIRC correctly, was ~78/79.=C2=A0 Haight's program which = would go out as part of System V ---=C2=A0 was first distributed outside of= the labs in System III. I would have expected man pages in either source d= istribution.=C2=A0 I don't have those online to check and I don't t= end to bother with System V as its=C2=A0historically less interesting.

That said, one thing I do remember is that the= primary version of bs from the PWB family (certainly the one we had at UCB= ) was a little different from the version I saw in a couple of the BTL site= s later.=C2=A0 My >>memory<< here (which could be flawed) was t= he CB Unix folks added a few features -- like a set of plotting function=C2= =A0that=C2=A0Whippany picked up etc.=C2=A0 I only remember this because we = were working with a number of different places (from different AT&T lab= s to IBM, Intel, NS, HP, Tek, etc.) when we developed the UCB CAD tools.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0I remember and=C2=A0an incident where one of the Bell folks we ha= d at UCB had brought some thing with him that relied on the strange bs dial= ec=C2=A0-- i.e. did not run on the UCB CAD systems - which had the version = of PWB. It was close, but made calls to some extra stuff (plot and the like= IIRC).

My suggestion, as always start i= n the TUHS archives and look there -- that will be the most complete of wha= t was released. That said,=C2=A0 Disk4 of Kirk's set will have all the = stuff we had in /usr/local (like cpio etc..) on the UCB systems.=C2=A0 FWIW= : I'm fairly sure the=C2=A0sources and the man pages will = be with Kirk's trove. But I don't believe BSD ever released it, as i= t was not part of V7, so you will not find it in a formal BSD distribution = tape.

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On Fri,= May 19, 2023 at 11:07=E2=80=AFAM KenUnix <ken.unix.guy@gmail.com> wrote:
= Hi.

Was any documentation ever done for the basic = interpreter
that was on System-V?

Things= like allowed keywords or special keywords.

Thanks=
Ken


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