From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2881 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2022 04:38:28 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 31 Dec 2022 04:38:28 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADE741BA7; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 14:38:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f42.google.com (mail-vs1-f42.google.com [209.85.217.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C53B541783 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 14:38:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f42.google.com with SMTP id i188so23010580vsi.8 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 20:38:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=RPcBbd5yxPgT8ize494hjx3epGIjGLH5SZA9xyuy6uQ=; b=P3VU7i0HvZzsZzNmcy0RYf7kNhGKLCr4wvpgl0qDcwzjAitXYSl1u72Tokf+t5E+WK BqnPIMtb+qZBJZivUIqdSKfFdc3GPEa2diTa/61PWgBn7GCE2JL9tGLmrGOwlJH+gtNg z4pI1DiuJklZE0sVJHqH7t+UV8eL1W+WnR3kE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=RPcBbd5yxPgT8ize494hjx3epGIjGLH5SZA9xyuy6uQ=; b=BOMaXXC23ZTbpPrz+VOqQJ/27B67imqyiBhHRoAVxUyUZh+d7OTWbsnjkeDCnafdPe r7Jl9MTYl8BcpJAwJ1A9C7XaMVGs+hV2MYrLXBNVM3TilEUcrfOkW9mqr/Zb9dRRy65H uS/9XstYd55AwNgFjxwutLyNurrorEOfdynzRJDbQTVdtRA9+Mlpu/gGx21YJmCkXHvj ri24idiV3vPzXf3dtKjnGQWyBVo9G7ozMZgMx8GBy2joKzpc0RaLFZbOSaU6OZtB+dtn J6MeCNr8meCWnjtKoKe8WYEF8J7OTj8IGWlxopgiRMTXxPYcrd2nJ7qclPjtvO6xHRpt Ar7Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2koX7z43wpVMVlbr26+IV9x/J2B0Ah3xS+HbAA21uIzOrRUyKoua mtvPWVYTAAGfR6G+T1QNtJaUDR4ptygvysQ4+4NDwpU7VOvNnA0b X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXvYgFzQISt9/sBUZxLScb6AUlrkCcMOATI+Y/Y8ybC2hXRZ23ZTAS9Zg9WwCQmnmtaGzZrUz5teV+bmBd/MWnA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:2227:b0:3b5:25d7:ecf6 with SMTP id d7-20020a056102222700b003b525d7ecf6mr3089739vsb.52.1672461438633; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 20:37:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <52FB6638-AEFF-4A4F-8C2E-32089D577BA0@planet.nl> <464819f0-d2f6-2a60-6481-a194f4428b4d@case.edu> <20221230200246.GW5825@mcvoy.com> <88f83b4c-b3f9-ed87-b2fa-560fb369742a@makerlisp.com> <20221231035931.GG5825@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 23:37:07 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dave Horsfall Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f3657905f1184541" Message-ID-Hash: FQZO72RT4IIJFZZNYBO6PRIMKIPD7FUV X-Message-ID-Hash: FQZO72RT4IIJFZZNYBO6PRIMKIPD7FUV X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: A few comments on porting the Bourne shell List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000f3657905f1184541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bourne to program, type with Joy. On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 11:23 PM Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Fri, 30 Dec 2022, Larry McVoy wrote: > > > When I was running my engineering team I was strict about Bourne syntax > > and features only. I got pushed on like crazy because "bash has this > > $GOODNESS whhhhhhhy can't we use it". Because we were supporting our > > product on pretty much every unix and if it wasn't HP-UX that had an > > ancient /bin/sh, it was AIX or whoever. > > I've never bothered to learn those Bash thingies, because "expr" does > everything that I need and is available on just about all boxes. > > > Over and over, I won the "straight bourne shell only" battle. So I > > agree, if you want /bin/sh to work, Bourne shell for the win. > > Yep; whoever wrote CSH must've been high on something, as the syntax makes > no sense whatsoever. > > > For a login shell, bash is my shell of choice. It's bloated but I'm > > typing this on a 5 year old Lenova X1 Carbon with 16GB of memory and 4 > > cores and it's fine. It was fine a 133mhz Pentium. > > I do admit to being a bit of a ZSH user... I've never bothered to learn > all its features, but the subset I use gets me through. > > -- Dave > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --000000000000f3657905f1184541 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bourne to program, type with Joy.

On Fri, Dec 30, 202= 2 at 11:23 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@h= orsfall.org> wrote:
On Fri, = 30 Dec 2022, Larry McVoy wrote:

> When I was running my engineering team I was strict about Bourne synta= x
> and features only.=C2=A0 I got pushed on like crazy because "bash= has this
> $GOODNESS whhhhhhhy can't we use it".=C2=A0 Because we were s= upporting our
> product on pretty much every unix and if it wasn't HP-UX that had = an
> ancient /bin/sh, it was AIX or whoever.

I've never bothered to learn those Bash thingies, because "expr&qu= ot; does
everything that I need and is available on just about all boxes.

> Over and over, I won the "straight bourne shell only" battle= .=C2=A0 So I
> agree, if you want /bin/sh to work, Bourne shell for the win.

Yep; whoever wrote CSH must've been high on something, as the syntax ma= kes
no sense whatsoever.

> For a login shell, bash is my shell of choice.=C2=A0 It's bloated = but I'm
> typing this on a 5 year old Lenova X1 Carbon with 16GB of memory and 4=
> cores and it's fine.=C2=A0 It was fine a 133mhz Pentium.

I do admit to being a bit of a ZSH user...=C2=A0 I've never bothered to= learn
all its features, but the subset I use gets me through.

-- Dave
--
Sent from a handheld expect more typos t= han usual
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