From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3b84338f for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CB9AA9BFCE; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:52:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD253947A2; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:52:08 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="BPubA1sw"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 34ECF947A2; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:52:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f48.google.com (mail-wm1-f48.google.com [209.85.128.48]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69D539479A for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:52:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f48.google.com with SMTP id r17so1189610wme.0 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:52:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EWwKQm2P/27WrDewf7YRb0KSHsVh4ZfrVYzdeeLNDb0=; b=BPubA1sw+8ialoaouM85OFcrf8t31C8fTYqVPFLFFcfr9DEwbts2jY1dt5SiU913QF 8RmVxk8RHIilprOHMZnEpsFgeru4ghDddDQ1lBcjQxaLB34nh8GxekQW08oA+PpGCViR iz8SeddL0G4V/vHXBk67nsXH9Fpq5QDmfYIhk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EWwKQm2P/27WrDewf7YRb0KSHsVh4ZfrVYzdeeLNDb0=; b=MFSSaQGB2kEgNlMd4jU+E1g2xsaIQcBaeX/0Gws3RNxeFCLq/Xwi+JlzAzkcxfdP/u +fnXePVRqo+Cz1FWq+GEcNPwqwISmvJQjm7vKrNz+xVM8D4VQn4LHI7aZCptUf+LNHyA 4sGDLbI1F0lvFZX9v+LeQ1rsIR6Cd+ARC8+zUFDAg76iOsZZ75V3cK/UHxwSgbVvyhzq Jm4nnu6Ii1j4mrO9FBR7I5GDVaPpyVmJUwdHjCcGTkZp+yVQW7FpRIp4fjqk4xUOVIzB wWQd3EzqeIWVJiOQyyKGUYPgOnk6lVCj4FkLZ2h7fAwIUKSjylFmlaVslegJqUiqjGzR +p/A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVBxUg2HefvOHAEG3kWnalqSX5+0CzBQ3eLImvtQm57sP3FUwIR 2eFZ3B3mWMz2D/tibt5cQVTUjm4bkqoUlEdcidRtbn+AQ3o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxQs2Rh9jOizaH11gTUZFx8TcgqMFbnJqWiw4tbbROYu9VMfE0BIeWECL2LK1tbFa3vreD+4v9ZJzrgALY7Wog= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:2d85:: with SMTP id t127mr1265185wmt.81.1568681524753; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:52:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <463d5cc4-9bef-9ac3-a680-a5161d664dc1@aueb.gr> <20190913221345.GA16129@minnie.tuhs.org> <20190914020240.GO2046@mcvoy.com> <20190914024433.GA19193@minnie.tuhs.org> <2e84c4d0-5239-b223-856d-00aacf8d3028@andrewnesbit.org> <069494b2-ec5b-91e7-8618-2d111e0e5aa2@andrewnesbit.org> <201909160620.x8G6KkJq026850@freefriends.org> <20190917001056.GD31311@eureka.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20190917001056.GD31311@eureka.lemis.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:51:54 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000ca40a0592b52135" Subject: Re: [TUHS] O'Reilly groff macros (was: earliest Unix roff) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000000ca40a0592b52135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" FYI Which Dale and Tim used at Masscomp 4 years earlier. That book was originally modeled from Janet Eagans style guide which I still have. On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 8:11 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 16 September 2019 at 0:20:46 -0600, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > >> 1. Do you think there is any chance of obtaining these macro packages? > >> Either from authors who haven't passed away, or from the publishing > >> houses themselves? > > > > O'Reilly probably would. I can ask someone there, if there's serious > > interest here. They haven't used troff for book production for well > > over a decade. > > The O'Reilly macro package was derived from the macros described in > Dougherty and O'Reilly "UNIX Text Processing" (Hayden 1988). I > received a copy round 1993 for my book "Porting UNIX Software" (didn't > we shout in those days?), and when we released the book under Creative > Commons in 2005 or so, the macros were released with it. It's > available online as > http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/PUS/tmac.Gbignuts.G > > In passing I should mention that they required me to use those > macros. At the time I wanted to use TeX, but they were "unwilling". > I used groff, and I've never used TeX since: a dead baby duck. > > Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --0000000000000ca40a0592b52135 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI Which Dale and Tim used at Masscomp =C2=A04 year= s earlier.=C2=A0 That book was originally modeled from Janet Eagans style g= uide which I still have. =C2=A0

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 8:11 PM G= reg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis= .com> wrote:
On Monday, 16 S= eptember 2019 at=C2=A0 0:20:46 -0600, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
>> 1.=C2=A0 Do you think there is any chance of obtaining these macro= packages?
>> Either from authors who haven't passed away, or from the publi= shing
>> houses themselves?
>
> O'Reilly probably would. I can ask someone there, if there's s= erious
> interest here.=C2=A0 They haven't used troff for book production f= or well
> over a decade.

The O'Reilly macro package was derived from the macros described in
Dougherty and O'Reilly "UNIX Text Processing" (Hayden 1988).= =C2=A0 I
received a copy round 1993 for my book "Porting UNIX Software" (d= idn't
we shout in those days?), and when we released the book under Creative
Commons in 2005 or so, the macros were released with it.=C2=A0 It's
available online as
http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/P= US/tmac.Gbignuts.G

In passing I should mention that they required me to use those
macros.=C2=A0 At the time I wanted to use TeX, but they were "unwillin= g".
I used groff, and I've never used TeX since: a dead baby duck.

Greg
--
Sent from my desktop computer.
Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key.
See complete headers for address and phone numbers.
This message is digitally signed.=C2=A0 If your Microsoft mail program
reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA
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Sent from a handheld expect more typos t= han usual
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