From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d2e21098 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D9F5FA2104; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 04:04:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FBEA20F1; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 04:04:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F1A9BA20F1; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 04:04:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f51.google.com (mail-wm1-f51.google.com [209.85.128.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AE0BA20EF for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 04:03:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f51.google.com with SMTP id m1so2552391wml.2 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:03:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xEdXD+CxHR4APbND8vr9I3B8RLgDteC0oPakdUzUjT0=; b=jT7IeZXFZRZWwb5Pr37nnXzMxbdWDlicO3fpA3yhEBS0aB9NAKhY4H0sXgyGW8RKT8 vXl++KdY4oo4mfIbVc/EG8OlDE1jYdr2O+PeWxfYs0DTSXgyuBHoGERRGjpIogZ1+iC0 /1R1BOzJSgy+OXWCFsicctuKT6iG3YLVVkNOc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xEdXD+CxHR4APbND8vr9I3B8RLgDteC0oPakdUzUjT0=; b=EBR/OsPs7+rQ9xjwKk88x4PfhJi01RZEGBlkQZP1tMgmGYQHSPfdcfjf0h6WJKq289 k908amKFl85vUX5WEmGfdbaFK1jklr2iHjGZWPPnieFr4mgsnu2e69dKMUeujBp9Dwu6 uKm8wlqY1SdxTzoPC/FOTCb/cH1l7DYDVbE5ywFZMm01MXf34kV2h/gDNzmAliugEXBu Y3sTE8470QvCqHJg6pd+e+SrpvUdIXw9gUOsfHmiKvSOikcH9gBfTML+p4XEm+V+r/7k KioSzoCJwLVbhYlnxCGFjfRwf/bM/KH9scU6oXE58nDMYlHT/BSKF+42ac+OBjxbLQUu yh4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZaZpyP/aP6Jw8AJSpyqLJZlN2F42NAsAB6qJzGaTIUsGhBzBMz Wx+3a8PCVaxa+WZEylXVw7GtN7LxOre6eOTjWAcGj48QKWI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XwjZBIjvZmY4zExplaWZp1olmOrQzF/0zXZiH7HPPHX4/6Q6fMvgjR23yNL1UUcK8mIFy0ozZq1TAZ0vRZIXo= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:aa0f:: with SMTP id t15mr3238405wme.108.1544551434741; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:03:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181211165707.3A1E618C089@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20181211165707.3A1E618C089@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:03:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009b006f057cc2e7fd" Subject: Re: [TUHS] 2.9bsd with networking on 18-bit possible? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000009b006f057cc2e7fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:57 AM Noel Chiappa wrote: > > we must have added PTY's of some sort > > There is indeed a PTY driver; it has comments from BBN'ers who edited it, > so > perhaps we got it from BBN. > Hmm, I could be mis remembering, but IIRC the original PTY driver goes back to the Rand and/or UofI for the NCP. I suspect BBN got it from the Bruce Borden's Rand distribution tape which was 74 or 75, I think. Named Piped were definiately a Rand-ism (they were originally called 'Rand Pipes') and were on that tape along with their Editor. It's too bad Greg is not here to ask. My memory and Noel may know by the IMP release dates, is that Rand was on connected before UofI. But there were issues and somethings were not 100% until the UofI NCP; which was the first really complete NCP for UNIX. I'm pretty sure that Greg's version went back to Bruce, as well as to BBN and Harvard and I would have assumes MIT also. I don't remember if the original Rand Pipes and PTYs were 5th or 6th edition originally. I'm fairly sure, UofI's NCP was 6th edition but think that Rand goes back to at least 5th if not 4th. =E1=90=A7 --0000000000009b006f057cc2e7fd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:57 AM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote= :
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = > we must have added PTY's of some sort

There is indeed a PTY driver; it has comments from BBN'ers who edited i= t, so
perhaps we got it from BBN.
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Hmm, = I could be mis remembering, but IIRC the original PTY driver goes back to t= he Rand and/or UofI for the NCP.=C2=A0 I suspect BBN got it from the Bruce = Borden's Rand distribution tape which was 74 or 75, I think.=C2=A0 Name= d Piped were definiately a Rand-ism (they were originally called 'Rand = Pipes') and were on that tape along with their Editor.

It's too bad Greg is not here to ask.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 My memory and Noel may know by the IMP release dates, is that Ra= nd was on connected before UofI.=C2=A0 But there were issues and somethings= were not 100% until the UofI NCP; which was the first really complete NCP = for UNIX.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'm pretty sure that Greg's version went bac= k to Bruce, as well as to BBN and Harvard and I would have assumes MIT also= .=C2=A0

I don't remember=C2=A0if the original=C2=A0Rand P= ipes and PTYs=C2=A0were 5th or 6th edition originally.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I= 'm fairly sure, UofI's NCP was 6th edition but think that Rand goes back to at least 5th if not 4th.=C2=A0
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