From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3122 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2023 01:44:17 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Sep 2023 01:44:17 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E5042A6C; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:44:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2d.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2d]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0084642425 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:44:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2d.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-44d3a5cd2f9so1485238137.3 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 18:44:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1694396644; x=1695001444; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=F2dZ+6+Xm8dfZajFfFS0L3iz860W3bh3Z32kv2oKOr8=; b=lVuxgTkwkWhNFECu5PVhx1jqb2KRWX14IP3jTCVFBKCk9jt94ts0FjafjKYXkmvV3T Wqu2O25XjpY8r/ePn3mLXQKsBuWt7Kv2NawxRR9hPFwxg34tt9sCT4kfAg8FuoOvnVoJ +ipZ69mdyLZgF/RnhuqQO3QH7D1nw4BwqE/dw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694396644; x=1695001444; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=F2dZ+6+Xm8dfZajFfFS0L3iz860W3bh3Z32kv2oKOr8=; b=NVmFcFsAGIjewPFkImz6x2wr6eRUdO4BZdeCmZbOKCJL3cQCAqyZO6h2wBroxdiw2v hGu4F7kM8qp4V7SwXqAEk14xd2coms4EyIecRoi6uMqkWkyzx0Wb0oHXFHIVfE1sOdJ/ iOjV/+F8pOLhJM3Sz4emrdONCG1C90swKnNAMgWD8Ot69w+uS0/ylrfhKEzuIm0hOdFl etEhLJaK7PeIOViJ72L92nChQd+Up+rh35LbtyPFh0MTZAetX9VTED3cNdDBIVvDMBUL Ankb5RI4gwbQmhR4EfUduwFqsFGmoDrTAJN/g1TQt3YDM7JQ/rghXWpdCxG/jLRknSix xdmw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwbpRJnlr41IdMapZ1pdAdW5Flfuy7nd/ypm5kGTPOqs8ejEMk6 iN8mVtT3ar63rJQO2wM44ETv1bExpsDcICd14/3mlwOcZ9HNuq904PUf3A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGpWl9kzjSWCPEsy8tmIyY5jrGx2mEjvILyKnYOUQUF9NKBaH++EdYjPMhlN1pVfoznKvkMvW5HTfJBJvvLWpQ= X-Received: by 2002:a67:eac5:0:b0:44e:ac98:c65f with SMTP id s5-20020a67eac5000000b0044eac98c65fmr7234734vso.21.1694396643846; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 18:44:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 21:43:27 -0400 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000010c37606050b7667" Message-ID-Hash: CLR2IQCFIEX7WZSDDYXL226O7342G3UB X-Message-ID-Hash: CLR2IQCFIEX7WZSDDYXL226O7342G3UB X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Current Ownership of 3B/WECo Computer IPs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000010c37606050b7667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 9:11=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS w= rote: > Is there a clear, current owner of these WECo hardware IPs, or have those > waters grown even murkier than those of UNIX in the times after AT&T prop= er? I have never seen an unofficial, much less an official, reckoning, but if you discover/unearth something, it will be interesting to read. That said, you left out one piece of history. Please remember that AT&T bought NCR in the mid-1980s (and eventually spun it off a few years later). The UNIX HW development was moved into the new division of the old NCR, including the 3B series work, the WE32000, and some other semiconductor IPs= . FWIW: That occurred when I consulted for NCR's Chief Architect (Lee Hovel) in the mid-late 80s (I did some of the analysis for Lee on what IP was there). But that all settled out after my contract expired, so I don't know how it finally settled - other than I'm reasonably sure that most of the 3B and chip development reported up through an ex-NCR exec after purchase. Those teams and their associated IP were folded into things like the old NCR semi-conductor, NCR Computer, *etc*.. IIRC Also, a few NCR communications products were moved out of the old NCR team and into the old WE folks. So .... I would not be surprised if when NCR was later spun back out, some of the old AT&T IP (such as the computer HW and chip IP) went with them, just as when Novell was sold the UNIX SW IP. Of course, later, Lucent, ney Alcatel, ney Nokia - got the communications IP. =E1=90=A7 --00000000000010c37606050b7667 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 9:11= =E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuh= s.org> wrote:
Is there a= clear, current owner of these WECo hardware IPs, or have those waters grow= n even murkier than those of UNIX in the times after AT&T proper?
I have never seen an unofficial, much less an offici= al, reckoning, but if you discover/unearth something, it will be interestin= g to=C2=A0read.=C2=A0

That = said, you left out one piece of history.=C2=A0 Please remember that AT&= T bought NCR in the mid-1980s (and eventually spun it off a few years later= ). The UNIX HW development was moved into the new division of the old NCR, = including the 3B series work, the WE32000, and some other semiconductor IPs= .

FWIW: That occurred=C2=A0w= hen I consulted for NCR's Chief Architect (Lee Hovel) in the mid-late 8= 0s (I did some of the analysis for Lee on what IP was there).=C2=A0 But tha= t all settled out after my contract expired, so I don't know how it fin= ally settled - other than I'm reasonably sure that most of the 3B and c= hip development reported up through an ex-NCR exec after purchase. Those te= ams and their associated IP were folded into things like the=C2=A0old NCR s= emi-conductor, NCR Computer, etc..=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0IIRC Also, a few= NCR communications products were moved out of the old NCR team and into th= e old WE folks.

So ....=C2= =A0 I would not be surprised if when=C2=A0NCR was later spun back out, some= of the old AT&T IP (such as the computer HW and chip IP) went with the= m, just as when Novell was sold the UNIX SW IP.=C2=A0=C2=A0Of course, later= , Lucent, ney Alcatel, ney Nokia - got the communications IP.=C2=A0<= /div>

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