From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1f18a09a for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 32FD1A1B0B; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:25:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A22A1A1F; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:25:26 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b=Jfe3tXHv; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0913AA1A1F; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:25:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-it0-f45.google.com (mail-it0-f45.google.com [209.85.214.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7995A1A1C for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:25:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-it0-f45.google.com with SMTP id x79-v6so2139056ita.1 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 06:25:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lAxwHcDGCNT2q+IH9QaPOsn/dm0py/uyEHA9IIIi/lU=; b=Jfe3tXHvbOcWWRhkBCcCTNcWDPh0qZCtU1MlNtK4TwbzSmhiZChvaEpHoTUXAUz0lD QNwYxi9RvNk7E4aTKzzxqmW56pUXam2nmPO61wSJU21N/iwElhXIu/HlevyW7ai6SDeJ Yz4jejFp7JmJcCZfrBVnF8CbnDjpaY+2r7qUw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lAxwHcDGCNT2q+IH9QaPOsn/dm0py/uyEHA9IIIi/lU=; b=TonIfEdklyopfBMAy4bPYK7tlcri3cUVUJLrS5g02NoEIp6151CrzRvBJc8iiinhsy pj91M9jmL4r0WvsKkGWn/uKDV54nLINpmOdcKcIdQ6g84bEPcaPWQhDP6aJ73N3Ahuk0 JKvGUo4gEJFafJaBd69UvcMfQhQw+mAbmHoJzGCznwQM+MDLPY69o/GTmr2JUhcuHzlQ Rm9zO0yCaM4C5CPqpKchqLSLpWgzcQTOyBe10/gUzmotDBFiu4cIVSI7gSkrCJ4aP5Xk VR5XKGTeklCVUeZ1SLGMZa6Y0ruc25aIE3xVfeZSAa99A5Vy4aPZgJlh19UFFrmOzPw2 88pQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51AdKe1ppk8mKvLr9r9VFfGOcLyjfK1ySfvsXNjKh8qipr8R5Zee iZ4Te63uHoeWpVwc75G/z1oJlt1hav3PnNUf0M2Gmg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdbDykjAvfRYrUwNYq8gZXKkRxqIvi3q1DRfXoyH68zIL/E/Q+uhA1i3128nakpwTEFVNflXKum2sb+8GJitQYY= X-Received: by 2002:a02:685:: with SMTP id 127-v6mr9097144jav.98.1535635522050; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 06:25:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180828003057.GA317@mcvoy.com> <201808280601.w7S61oLM030628@freefriends.org> <20180829032310.GF19128@thunk.org> <20180829043639.GA6691@minnie.tuhs.org> <051a01d44051$7d7909c0$786b1d40$@ronnatalie.com> In-Reply-To: <051a01d44051$7d7909c0$786b1d40$@ronnatalie.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:24:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: Ronald Natalie Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cc06cb0574a70184" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Cryptic Unix Commands X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000cc06cb0574a70184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:07 AM wrote: > I use the numbers but I think it stems from the days when kill didn't take > the names. It's easier for me to remember -1 and -9 than to remember > what > the mnemonics are. > Same here - there first time I saw the mnemonics were in the built-in kill command in csh. Which was usefule for "kill -cont" but to this day, since like Ron I grew on fifth/sixth/seventh edition which used numbers, the ones that I remember and care about are screwed into my fingers. I never have an issue with -1 vs -9 with kill, but I do not have great story about how as a young engineer I wiped out the life's work of visiting professor because Tektronix had the 0 and 1 keys next to each other on one of the terminals they made. It was the console of our 11/60 and we had two RK05's and I fat fingured /dev/r...0 instead of 1. Bad stuff. Clem --000000000000cc06cb0574a70184 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:07 AM <ron@ronnatalie.com> wrote:
I use the numbers but I think it stems from the days when kill didn't = take
the names.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It's easier for me to remember -1 and -9 than t= o remember what
the mnemonics are.
Same here - ther= e first time I saw the mnemonics were in the built-in kill command in csh.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Which was usefule for "kill -cont"
=C2=A0
but to this day, since like Ron I grew on fifth/sixth/seventh= edition which used numbers, the ones that I remember and care about are sc= rewed into my fingers.

=
I never have an issue with -1 vs -9 with kill, but I= do not have great story about how as a young engineer I wiped out the life= 's work of visiting professor because Tektronix had the 0 and 1 keys ne= xt to each other on one of the terminals they made.=C2=A0 It was the consol= e of our 11/60 and we had two RK05's and I fat fingured /dev/r...0 inst= ead of 1.=C2=A0 Bad stuff.

Clem
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