From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E85426E5B for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 05:03:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFC34365D; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:03:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x930.google.com (mail-ua1-x930.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::930]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28E1C43657 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:02:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x930.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-80d61a602f2so2114594241.2 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:02:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1719457375; x=1720062175; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Qpm00MOuFzLBUOXa3ICSVjtMSnlUszbbr5S0rAC6pRU=; b=WQwV6e3YK+VuEWV4v2fbBYh3u6keD0KqqZN921yNxVcYV9xo79gEYaGOkT1dKIdHmG 1X7guS+thKpURv2P9Cc/xQ059vjgxV6ywvyVaTCvjPX3Yp0gfpPcZ4czPjeiNuFo/EK2 VpjRplxvZEApynekWETlOpOwGvKqUdxuRZCIo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1719457375; x=1720062175; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Qpm00MOuFzLBUOXa3ICSVjtMSnlUszbbr5S0rAC6pRU=; b=LD9SbpXtgO6jSG6rm0LBOOLl+xF1PITYS7cRDHs9N1woIHJ9ZVWBeB/YdIsf+rF/qQ CxScVi/YjZq14geB+kpPW8x0Q1RkkcK+CTdW5J5IlR6XdgPjSuJ20L9enYRZJEep+eU/ bAfA+kzGdrcPNAMfRJb5dN3yscs6EFBMsATM53usZyw6Gcc/mHkq+7ivs+EGVk8Vtb1j 4S6aA1YwkV1cYHHbZ7UUHLMsRvd0w7ThiHwFzGU9hixKNpkXNva6kzOeIVas1Ng7LcT1 Q24id8eGAXSNSr0fL6+Rs7F8xOMSynJsc5NRwk54qk8xA8bCpWHhJI7cWUcgAjrsmi0z 2TqQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCU7ytuQ5+5Ufl0LjFHTYmjOyBYALC7WNCF51zZt46xrtLMLcF41SXQmYMMTkpZEn2riO3AHJaB+JyKS6/Me X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw+F7mTleKuUvtO8MWj47rGfPu2AJcDk+fhIyOZZVvL34RoN9X+ Flfr+jz7QBcwCIMOP/FF0AIHkq2XvGiWmhoKYTAkYLZvB8TSUN06FuIYchqaHAbZu9lbmRDgh6a ChJp/V7W/XE0TYv5paP8QoVXVig/S4BFJ5tTk X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF9cuDOJzHH6GKpiFnNFS1BjghG7H1cMj9ES3j2gKSTx/6bKRiB6/QeXZ20bHLbiW0iooFn22nT0Dil1xPAFZk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:3905:b0:4ef:5ac3:dffd with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4f282dd2d28mr873773e0c.12.1719457375043; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:02:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240626215309.XWtuefzk@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 23:02:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000bddf3061bd65ee7" Message-ID-Hash: M5KAXOUV2BXHFDR23IW3EG7DH4PGOIYY X-Message-ID-Hash: M5KAXOUV2BXHFDR23IW3EG7DH4PGOIYY X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Alan Coopersmith , Marc Rochkind , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Origin of the name POSIX (was: ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000000bddf3061bd65ee7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW: it is possible rms sent in comments and offered thoughts that we had to handle. He may consider that as partition. He might have even been at later .2 meetings after I stopped coming. But he was not at any .1 meetings and the name was created during that time by Jim Isaak IIRC. FWIW Keith Bostics was at some of the .2 meetings Keith might haven there when we got .1 to the stage and when started the .2 work. I was part of all off .1 and an early draft of .2. Keith and I wrote the proposal that became pax after I demonstrated tpio my hack to splice a cpio front end to tar (I never wrote car). A few meetings later we got the first draft of .2 out and was pretty much done at that point. So if rms joined then it=E2=80=99s possible but the standard was in the ove= n before he might have done anything. And since we travelled to different sites for the meetings and he did not have a firm to cover his travel costs, I would very surprised he was at many later ones either. Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:46=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole wrote: > Garbage. Rms was never at any early IEEE meeting that I was at - you > could smell him a mile away as he rarely bathed. I certainly knew him in > those days. I also have an early draft with all participants named and h= e > is not one of them!! > > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:11=E2=80=AFPM Greg 'groggy' Lehey > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 26 June 2024 at 20:44:12 -0400, Clem Cole wrote: >> > rms had nothing to do with the name posix. I have no idea where that >> > comment came from. >> >> At the very least, from rms himself: >> https://stallman.org/articles/posix.html >> There's a reference to this page in the Wikipedia page on POSIX. >> >> > The p1003 committee for Ieee was the portable operating system standar= d >> and >> > at the time adding ix was the norm. POSIX became the term we all used >> to >> > refer to the work we doing. Rms was not involved in any way >> >> rms suggests that he was involved in the committee? Not true? Maybe >> a different, related committee? >> >> Greg >> -- >> Sent from my desktop computer. >> Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. >> See complete headers for address and phone numbers. >> This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program >> reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php >> > --0000000000000bddf3061bd65ee7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FWIW: it is possible rms sent in comments and offered tho= ughts that we had to handle.=C2=A0 He may consider that as partition.=C2=A0= He might have even been at later .2 meetings =C2=A0after I stopped coming.= =C2=A0 But he was not at any .1 meetings and the name was created during th= at time by Jim Isaak IIRC.=C2=A0

FWIW Keith Bostics was at some of the .2 meetings Keith might hav= en there when we got .1 to the =C2=A0stage and when started the .2 work. I = was part of all off .1 and an early draft of .2.=C2=A0 Keith and I wrote th= e proposal that became pax after I demonstrated tpio my hack to splice a cp= io front end to tar (I never wrote car).=C2=A0 A few meetings later we got = the first draft of .2 out and was pretty much done at that point. =C2=A0

So if rms joined then it= =E2=80=99s possible but the standard was in the oven before he might have d= one anything.=C2=A0 And since we travelled to different sites for the meeti= ngs and he did not have a firm to cover his travel costs, I would very surp= rised he was at many later ones either. =C2=A0

Sent from a handheld expect more typos than u= sual


On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:46=E2=80=AFP= M Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrot= e:
Garbage.=C2=A0= Rms was never at any early IEEE meeting that I was at - you could smell hi= m a mile away as he rarely bathed.=C2=A0 I certainly knew him in those days= .=C2=A0 I also have an early draft with all participants named and he is no= t one of them!!=C2=A0

Sent from = a handheld expect more typos than usual


On W= ed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:11=E2=80=AFPM Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:<= br>
On Wednesday, 26 June 2024 at 20:44= :12 -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> rms had nothing to do with the name posix.=C2=A0 I have no idea where = that
> comment came from.

At the very least, from rms himself:
https://stallman.org/articles/posix.html
There's a reference to this page in the Wikipedia page on POSIX.

> The p1003 committee for Ieee was the portable operating system standar= d and
> at the time adding ix was the norm.=C2=A0 POSIX became the term we all= used to
> refer to the work we doing.=C2=A0 Rms was not involved in any way

rms suggests that he was involved in the committee?=C2=A0 Not true?=C2=A0 M= aybe
a different, related committee?

Greg
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