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From: clemc@ccc.com (Clem Cole)
Subject: [TUHS] What was the first edition of UNIX that left AT&T
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 15:58:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC20D2MjY=5gsiLQgLzR1EyadmKh5AZR8L329q5W8Y1LiZ6jyQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.20.1709011334120.13951@t1.m.reedmedia.net>

Thanks - I've already sent Lou a note, which he has not yet responded.  I
should have remembered he was user #1.

So, my guess is that Lou had 4th edition at this point.

Although from your comments, I'm a little surprised Berkeley went back that
far, give than BSD (1.0) was all sixth edition and post Ken's sabbatical.
The Industrial Liaisons Office (ILO) in EECS which ran all of that had
existed for a number of years (since the late 1960s).  They were already
distributing things like SPICE and SPLICE.  So the idea of giving away
there SW work was really well ingrained in the Berkeley way of doing things
in EECS.

BSD (1.0) in fact used the original SPICE distribution process in the ILO
(as I suspect Ingress would have also a few years later).   While folks
think of the later CSRG stuff, that was later - once UCB got the support
contract from DARPA.  Originally it was just the fruits of the labors of
the folks in EECS being package and distributed to the folk what worked
with them as managed by the ILO (which was originally folks like AT&T, IBM,
HP, Tektronix, DEC, Intel, Fairchild, *etc*...)

So it means that UCB was hacking privately without taking to Katz@ NYU, or
the Columbia and Harvard folks for a while.   I need to ask Lou what he
remembers.   UCB was not connected to the Arpanet at this point (Stanford
was), so it's possible Ken's sabbatical openned up some channels that had
not existed.   [UCB does not get connected until ing70 gets the
vdh-interface up the hill to LBL's IMP as part of the Ingress project and
that was very late in the 70s  - not long before I arrived].

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Jeremy C. Reed <reed at reedmedia.net> wrote:

> > "A Quarter Century of UNIX" says:
>
> And in Salus later book, The Daemon, the Gnu, and the Penguin (which I
> published for him), he quotes Allman as using 4th edition at Berkeley.
> Allman also told me (for my BSD history book in progress), that when he
> got involved INGRES was running on 5th Edition and he helped with the
> transition to 6th Edition.
>
> Also McKusick's 1985 article "A BERKELEY ODYSSEY: Ten years of BSD
> history" says the version 4 tape was delivered in Jan. 1974 (and used on
> PDP 11/45) and INGRES was running the newly-available Version 5 of Unix
> in the spring of 1974 (on PDP 11/40).
>
> (Following from my book...)
>
> The University of California --- via the
> San Francisco Medical School Campus --- was recently
> licensed by Western Electric to use Unix. (Fortunately, the
> licenses from Western Electric were per-organization rather than
> per-computer.)
> So Fabry was able to get started with Unix much more quickly than anyone
> would have imagined.\cite{fabry2}
> %
> % NOTE: here is the license for it: archives/1970s/UC_License_4thEd.pdf
> % effective Dec. 1, 1973, licensee was the Regents of the Univ.
> % NOTE: it says for the location of School of Medicine
> % signed on Jan. 7 and 16, 1974
> % 2.01
> The license allowed use solely for academic and educational purposes.
> % 4.05
> In addition, the University was prohibited from sharing the software
> --- including its methods or concepts --- to anyone other than the
> University employees or students.
> % NOTE: no version of Unix is mentioned in the license
>
>
>
>
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Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-31 22:33 Clem Cole
2017-08-31 23:20 ` Theo Pavlidis
2017-08-31 23:27 ` Warren Toomey
2017-09-01 19:05   ` Jeremy C. Reed
2017-09-01 19:58     ` Clem Cole [this message]
2017-09-01 21:59       ` Jeremy C. Reed
     [not found]         ` <D66F0B83-AC94-4A47-9847-D709D8BAAE27@ccc.com>
2017-09-02  0:24           ` Clem cole
2017-09-02  1:51             ` Jeremy C. Reed
2017-09-02  2:12 Noel Chiappa

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