From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id baaab551 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 15:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EA46B94BF1; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 01:36:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E922F93D74; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 01:36:37 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="WJM2XzkP"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A7B4C93D74; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 01:36:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f53.google.com (mail-ot1-f53.google.com [209.85.210.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A38793D71 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 01:36:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f53.google.com with SMTP id d5so6523302otp.4 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 07:36:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=i4zJ4nsPKMJn0f1mM6/w6mwyXQfAYn4yFHeDgI5KqI4=; b=WJM2XzkPZMCmFpfL7x6IgrRrPgRXs+/CgKbqGo2/VzWWcazH7sb2QwSx/qSt1ZyttJ cBsGvqMn2+fU2qOBgdZbVodqgbhCWYzQc2DNysK1qMf7qt6DS8L++/hXhmrFr/G4Y3b2 erVD/8hRgsjn4PzR3HFqVruuUM/2Zvrnajvlo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=i4zJ4nsPKMJn0f1mM6/w6mwyXQfAYn4yFHeDgI5KqI4=; b=aSVSmq0DawsiH8Uj/GmQaEThsI/GPoIrFWBU/iNjgFz9TFW+5juNk2fKR752+KVn9/ RYNTKKvDeixHKoC5Fj3YTndxF3jSZd5n0cGuwh5vpMcFEaJp3ayTa+cyHtYGy65WHFj0 1vjK5nH6q/ZeHJIP7MWs7a7ErEmbYfUoK6oagAiUmK/Zea/CLnegn/xvk3TIhk9d+Yfo OWa9S7ShDmw+5klzsLEVcF3u5B7r8mGiFn8Dq1LDWPo6AzsiSBdm/LcjidNIz2iHc+nX ZdweT6Mr6SeTYa3BgKEjr9bLTZzJFBafPKPkSZ9nqIi0DvEE/8De4N/wmBfPaAdF14OS 7Fqg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVukE0uOSkdeY8m1GEGsHnfOxnpvmxjg/8bticOphf9mtJsMS4D 4nJiz+KuJG0UpUWfcVN6cjzxUnlFv/SqvdYm6kFzwM8BmqI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwV/pK6N8sNbxJvhRJCHX1O3WtlKO48Ew8VPJLLsvJkL10ERkPYp8VfGh1CaEkxefbA1ZrSwlDQEVtz2nhwJnI= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:3b0:: with SMTP id f45mr3489481otf.92.1574436994278; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 07:36:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4B4A388452D2A7418879B110A352A8F4018878C992@EX-MB1.hq.computerhistory.org> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:36:08 -0500 Message-ID: To: "David C. Brock" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c400130597f12da2" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Western Electric "Research Unix" License Contacts X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org" Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000c400130597f12da2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I should have said, 'licensable for commercial use.' The most famous piece of IP that came out of this agreement was not UNIX, but rather the transistor. The rest of the electronics community made way more money than AT&T did on the transistor. On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:34 AM Clem Cole wrote: > I sent you some stuff privately, but the key point is that is was require= d > by the US Gov as part of the 1956 Consent decree. > AT&T had to make its IP available to the research community and licensabl= e > under 'fair terms' which would be reviewed by the regulators. Al Arms > wrote and administer the license BTW. I've lost track of him. I want to > say he may have passed, but I don't want to start a rumor. You might > check with the Nokia folks, as I did not see him at the 50th and I would > have expected him there. > > Clem > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:39 AM David C. Brock > wrote: > >> Dear All: >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any first-hand information about the early >> decisions at Western Electric to make an education license for Unix that >> was both royalty-free and with an extremely modest =E2=80=9Cservice >> charge=E2=80=9D/delivery fee, or if anyone knows the names of key people= who made >> these decisions. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> .............. >> David C. Brock >> Director and Curator >> Software History Center >> Computer History Museum >> computerhistory.org/softwarehistory< >> http://computerhistory.org/softwarehistory> >> Email: dbrock@computerhistory.org >> Twitter: @dcbrock >> Skype: dcbrock >> 1401 N. Shoreline Blvd. >> Mountain View, CA 94943 >> (650) 810-1010 main >> (650) 810-1886 direct >> Pronouns: he, him, his >> >> >> --000000000000c400130597f12da2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I should have said, 'licensable for commercial use.= '=C2=A0 The most famous piece of IP that came out of this agreement was= not UNIX, but rather the transistor.=C2=A0 The rest of the electronics com= munity made way more money than AT&T did on the transistor.
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On Fri= , Nov 22, 2019 at 10:34 AM Clem Cole <c= lemc@ccc.com> wrote:
I sent you some stuff privately, but the ke= y point is that is was required by the US Gov as part of the 1956 Consent d= ecree.
AT&T had to make its IP available to the research commun= ity and licensable under 'fair terms' which would be reviewed by th= e regulators.=C2=A0 Al Arms wrote and administer the license BTW.=C2=A0 I&#= 39;ve lost track of him.=C2=A0 I want to say he may have passed, but I don&= #39;t want to start a rumor.=C2=A0 =C2=A0You might check with the Nokia fol= ks, as I did not see him at the 50th and I would have expected him there.

Clem

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:39 AM David C. Broc= k <dbroc= k@computerhistory.org> wrote:
Dear All:

I was wondering if anyone had any first-hand information about the early de= cisions at Western Electric to make an education license for Unix that was = both royalty-free and with an extremely modest =E2=80=9Cservice charge=E2= =80=9D/delivery fee, or if anyone knows the names of key people who made th= ese decisions.

Best wishes,

David
..............
David C. Brock
Director and Curator
Software History Center
Computer History Museum
computerhistory.org/softwarehistory<http://computerhistory.org/softwarehistory>
Email: dbro= ck@computerhistory.org
Twitter: @dcbrock
Skype: dcbrock
1401 N. Shoreline Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94943
(650) 810-1010 main
(650) 810-1886 direct
Pronouns: he, him, his


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