From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 6dee3acd for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2020 21:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5BC229CC18; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 07:44:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036CC9CC0E; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 07:43:52 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="PlNlZv7y"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0DF3A9CC07; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 07:43:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f180.google.com (mail-qt1-f180.google.com [209.85.160.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68C909CB86 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 07:43:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f180.google.com with SMTP id j5so2825561qtq.9 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:43:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xhO5nnPXApACini7qgc8GefM6XUfJ+hfsuW7hq542eU=; b=PlNlZv7yWG2c/7+Z7zGBfnEkbg9B8c3rFFZ9R5S4urdsEAi1qbwJwf/0mxvPXYFZ/r bkqumSYwMENRz+csUXf8BOk3N9p8pjuoY42dUWxumIIAePszXYl0DeRLKUce1gdGB4wF o7GcIzuWCysneC2fg/rbr9wSolrG3NcGmOK8s= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xhO5nnPXApACini7qgc8GefM6XUfJ+hfsuW7hq542eU=; b=elcjoIEbXbz6Gae+ZmFrQdyyy0qi+YzlSSrZAA6hZFUZX3EarioZw0/dRvEtXqzIYo wVeLMToaDkhi8JjY1VVJLc2EIiYVfWah7Cn1X6WiPnZzMt5kNv44HBnrUULSAbl8mi6w 83xuUEflyEBsHAx2NN4D5DmDbwIDmTpC5Lxn9BcdnbxiKi+SWQhUO0g8HZvn3e/FO7x8 vm7MOO6YV+1TbcxeoD2GpaFoDuAByTS84+XXRwychyr78XqOkC0RkjnjlDZ1/tfiyxwi EXNIJ3NN3GQ/YoJTCjK13Svz0HEKL8TloxV3PvDW/GgHJ6qpTcqwroCIsOX7D29e/sOd pJBg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVvDFjyycQekLCZ+x3PAMA+dnW1O1nzTCDnTHUpuXPDOyVxLJnP RYdDtHxyb3ZRs6olB5vigTzAi8jffiZJ7yfJ+utfRgQ8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzUv+wy5z5i+Y737qsYtFaREnQXanY9SxYWwK41UL5B8DnQN65Ek+fkPbqkrYnv67o7NcPhFWU4yHzYea1aFvE= X-Received: by 2002:aed:3eee:: with SMTP id o43mr35743547qtf.33.1580939029428; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:43:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9c507ef665851fd21ecdf0e23136dc86@firemail.de> <1ippPk-8PE-00@marmaro.de> <1iqMuL-1zK-00@marmaro.de> <20200204094018.661e76717f7f475e6cb53e75@sjmulder.nl> <20200204201453.ebeaabon26vbgfle@localhost.localdomain> <202002050845.0158jDOu024559@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 13:43:38 -0800 Message-ID: To: Rob Pike Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000042d1e1059ddb0dde" Subject: Re: [TUHS] pronouncing *nix formulas (was: screen editors) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000042d1e1059ddb0dde Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup. On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:51 PM Rob Pike wrote: > Frodo (Ted Kowalski) told me it was originally spelled, and pronounced, > fuck, for good reason, but he soon realized it was going to be used by > others and changed one letter. It was just letters after that. > > -rob > > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:34 AM Clem cole wrote: > >> FWIW. When it was written, Ted and I used pronounced it as =E2=80=9Cfisk= =E2=80=9D (rhymes >> with =E2=80=9Cdisk=E2=80=9D), but F. S. C. K. was always acceptable to m= y ears. I admit I >> smiled one time when I heard some one call it =E2=80=9Cf-sick=E2=80=9D b= ut that was not >> considered the proper pronunciation. >> >> Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not >> quite. >> >> > On Feb 5, 2020, at 3:45 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: >> > >> > "G. Branden Robinson" wrote: >> > >> >> At 2020-02-04T09:40:18+0100, Sijmen J. Mulder wrote: >> >>> markus schnalke wrote: >> >>>> Wikipedia writes that `ed' would be pronounced ``ee-dee'' (like >> >>>> ``vee-eye''), is that what you english speakers do? >> >> >> >> Certainly not. When one sees a command name that duplicates a >> >> frequently-used diminituve of a common name, the brain is going to >> >> select that preferentially. >> > >> > ISTR thinking of it and calling it e-d, along with r-m, l-n, m-v and >> > the other two-letter commands. >> > >> >> (And did people really say "dee-eye-tee-roff" for "ditroff"?) >> > >> > I did ... Although it's "groff" and not "g-roff". :-) >> > >> > FWIW, >> > >> > Arnold >> > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --00000000000042d1e1059ddb0dde Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yup. =C2=A0

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:51 P= M Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Frodo (T= ed Kowalski) told me it was originally spelled, and pronounced, fuck, for g= ood reason, but he soon realized it was going to be used by others and chan= ged one letter. It was just letters after that.
=
-rob


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:34 AM Clem= cole <clemc@ccc.com<= /a>> wrote:
F= WIW. When it was written, Ted and I used pronounced it as =E2=80=9Cfisk=E2= =80=9D (rhymes with =E2=80=9Cdisk=E2=80=9D), but F. S. C. K. was always acc= eptable to my ears.=C2=A0 I admit I smiled one time when I heard some one c= all it =E2=80=9Cf-sick=E2=80=9D but that was not considered the proper pron= unciation.

Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite= .

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 3:45 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
>
> "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote:=
>
>> At 2020-02-04T09:40:18+0100, Sijmen J. Mulder wrote:
>>> markus schnalke <meillo@marmaro.de> wrote:
>>>> Wikipedia writes that `ed' would be pronounced ``ee-de= e'' (like
>>>> ``vee-eye''), is that what you english speakers do= ?
>>
>> Certainly not.=C2=A0 When one sees a command name that duplicates = a
>> frequently-used diminituve of a common name, the brain is going to=
>> select that preferentially.
>
> ISTR thinking of it and calling it e-d, along with r-m, l-n, m-v and > the other two-letter commands.
>
>> (And did people really say "dee-eye-tee-roff" for "= ditroff"?)
>
> I did ... Although it's "groff" and not "g-roff&quo= t;. :-)
>
> FWIW,
>
> Arnold
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Sent from a handheld expect more typos t= han usual
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