From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7142 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2021 15:19:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Apr 2021 15:19:09 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3B6E29C0A1; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 01:19:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF81D9BB66; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 01:18:53 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="Lxbo62Ni"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 898AA9BB66; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 01:18:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f181.google.com (mail-qk1-f181.google.com [209.85.222.181]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C561E9BB65 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 01:18:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f181.google.com with SMTP id c3so6148962qkc.5 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 08:18:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+qes5YOxWQ/yOVhlZW+eBTUM1rne/8N8shkWwBUErIU=; b=Lxbo62NivxLDbc/gNxW3KHpQu9fAvyLgCgt5WheLKW05SwKGLMFQn0YfC9JIewU/zJ gZjgZVIrmOr2bL6j/qHblcDaPgBDpqBmQa0P+egX46kuWU5SdsUCz8hLlz26qGcHdjOc m6Weqjb64XZjtw7mQmpn1/i1QuDe+G4fL/xS4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+qes5YOxWQ/yOVhlZW+eBTUM1rne/8N8shkWwBUErIU=; b=Kome5pmhUrncEH8Anit7w6jjYnUy4niqBRppN+G5QDLo1aBLSd8X+yK1FtW9JsRwWF 9PM2I685UO+Xcf4ITRX12Bt2wIIw+IQZ4HLz8Butt3LhpguxEUbfwLc2qTNeYExu1u5L mRJ21I5oRZUrf8t1qLqrvIC+VqnsRS68xcFkPJhc1wk/+BlM777YL+++POeeQ4P3qsBF WCoFuIm1OHAWMtIs87rxR5UwREFgkCncyxCkIMSBI5RS+wxksPzVFZVEvm/6iYyVNtRn rk9uyxsAw7CrPFbveZKWzdKz1Vbd8pkf9iI2pobUTIapvfvOdQg7rjsfiupvJg4WlPZm 2o/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532oDpQbPxHjskHsOjk94ALsMotRNuDqxUJCfEGqZibbFnq3roEO tzuCihrwGz98S0jbLZrmvX7AQBRsbkp//CQylfw4w4h7oYtKZA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz1EsQOvjjRNIJxkv9yo/TeL2afZNOPPxfPZga8FMzKK8OHomGWp9h+7Wuon4OADh4BVHQaU1Bo1nMpabGN5GI= X-Received: by 2002:a37:9607:: with SMTP id y7mr1082363qkd.25.1617981530821; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 08:18:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210409144102.2926D18C08D@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20210409144102.2926D18C08D@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 11:18:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000065e8b305bf8bae31" Subject: Re: [TUHS] SUN (Stanford University Network) was PC Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000065e8b305bf8bae31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:41 AM Noel Chiappa wrote: > > The base software for the Cisco multi-protocol router was code done by > William > (Bill) Yeager at Stanford (it handled IP and PUP); I have a vgue memory > that > his initially ran on PDP-11's, like mine. (I think their use of that code > was > part of the scandal, but I've forgotten the details.) > It might have been 11/20's, but I thought he had LSIs at that point (but I can be miss remember). It was much more sophisticated and was really building a router, the CMU DFE was not. We wanted a terminal mux. So were primarily interested in telnet. As I mentioned to Lars in another thread, here is where I learned of SUPDUP for some of the LISPers. But we > > > From: Tom Lyon > > > the design ... relied on CAD tools only extant on the Stanford > PDP-10. > > Sounds like SUDS? > Yes -- SUDS ran on the CMU-10s and 3-River's GDPs (through the FE) -- it was the CAD tool we used at CMU in the mid-late 1980s - the first tool I learned. =E1=90=A7 --00000000000065e8b305bf8bae31 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:41= AM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury= .lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
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(Bill) Yeager at Stanford (it handled IP and PUP); I have a vgue memory tha= t
his initially ran on PDP-11's, like mine. (I think their use of that co= de was
part of the scandal, but I've forgotten the details.)
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > From: Tom Lyon

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > the design ... relied on CAD tools only extant on the St= anford PDP-10.

Sounds like SUDS?
Yes -- SUDS ran on the CMU-10s = and 3-River's GDPs (through the FE) -- it was the CAD tool we used at C= MU in the mid-late 1980s - the first tool I learned.=C2=A0
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