From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] off-topic list
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:18:29 -0400 [thread overview]
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On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Grant Taylor via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
> wrote:
>
>
> What little I know about the MH type mail stores and associated utilities
> are indeed quite powerful.
Yep, their power and flaw all rolled together actually. Until I had
Pachyderm on Tru64/Alpha with AltaVista under the covers (which was gmail's
predecessor), I ran a flavor of MH from the time Bruce (Borden - MH's
author) first released it on the 6th edition on the Rand USENIX tape.
I'm going to guess for about 25 years. Although for the last 8-10 years,
I ran a post processor user interface called 'HM' (also from Rand) that was
curses based that split the screen into two.
> I think they operate under the premise that each message is it's own
> file
Correct - which is great, other than on small systems it chews up inodes
and disk space which for v6 and v7 could be a problem. But it means
everything was always ASCII and easy to grok and any tool from an editor to
macro processor could be inserted. It also meant that unlike AT&T "mail",
the division between the MUA and the MTA was first declared by the Rand and
understood in Unix and used in the original UofI ArpaNet code (before
Kurt's delivermail [sendmail's predecessor] which was part of UCB Mail, or
the MIT mailer ArpaNet hacks that would come later).
BTW: I may have the the original Rand MH release somewhere. We ran it at
Tektronix on V6 on the 11/60 and then V7 on the TekLabs 11/70, as I brought
it with me. We hacked the MTA portion to talk smtpd under Bruce's UNET
code to our VMS/SMTPD at some point.
> and that you work in something akin to a shell if not your actual OS shell.
Exactly. Your shell or emacs if you so desired - whatever your native
system interface was. HM took the idea a little further to make things
more screen oriented and later versions of MH picked some of the HM stuff
I'm told; but I had started to use Pachyderm - which was search based.
> I think the MH commands are quite literally unix command that can be
> called from the unix shell. I think this is in the spirit of simply
> enhancing the shell to seem as if it has email abilities via the MH
> commands. Use any traditional unix text processing utilities you want to
> manipulate email.
Absolutely. I do find myself, pulling things out of gmail, sometimes so I
can do Unix tricks to inbound mail that gmail will not let me do. And
when I want to do anything really automating on the send side, I have MH
installed and it calls the local MTA. But I admit, the indexing that
search gives you is incredibly powerful for day to day use and I could not
go back. to MH.
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Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-21 22:44 [TUHS] core Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-21 23:07 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-21 23:38 ` Toby Thain
2018-06-21 23:47 ` [TUHS] off-topic list Warren Toomey
2018-06-22 1:11 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-22 3:53 ` Robert Brockway
2018-06-22 4:18 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-22 11:44 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-06-22 14:28 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-22 14:46 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-22 14:54 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-22 15:17 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-22 17:27 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-22 19:25 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-22 21:04 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-23 14:49 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-23 15:25 ` Toby Thain
2018-06-23 18:49 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-23 21:05 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2018-06-23 21:21 ` Michael Parson
2018-06-23 23:31 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-23 23:36 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-23 23:37 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-24 0:20 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 2:53 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-25 5:40 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 6:15 ` arnold
2018-06-25 7:27 ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-25 12:52 ` Michael Parson
2018-06-25 13:41 ` arnold
2018-06-25 13:56 ` arnold
2018-06-25 13:59 ` Adam Sampson
2018-06-25 15:05 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-26 9:05 ` Derek Fawcus
2018-06-28 14:25 ` [TUHS] email filtering (was Re: off-topic list) Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-23 22:38 ` [TUHS] off-topic list Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-24 0:18 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-24 10:04 ` Michael Kjörling
2018-06-25 16:10 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 18:48 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 0:43 ` [TUHS] mail (Re: " Bakul Shah
2018-06-25 1:15 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-06-25 2:44 ` George Michaelson
2018-06-25 3:04 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-25 3:15 ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-25 16:26 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 18:59 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 14:18 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2018-06-25 15:28 ` [TUHS] off-topic list [ really mh ] Jon Steinhart
2018-06-26 7:49 ` Ralph Corderoy
2018-06-25 15:51 ` [TUHS] off-topic list Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 18:21 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-26 20:38 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-22 16:07 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-22 16:36 ` Steve Johnson
2018-06-22 20:55 ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-22 14:52 ` Ralph Corderoy
2018-06-22 15:13 ` SPC
2018-06-22 16:45 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-22 15:28 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-22 17:17 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-22 18:00 ` Dan Cross
2018-06-22 17:29 ` Cág
2018-06-22 2:21 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-22 22:23 Doug McIlroy
2018-06-22 23:20 ` John P. Linderman
2018-06-23 0:22 ` Warren Toomey
2018-06-24 3:08 Norman Wilson
2018-06-24 13:14 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-25 1:38 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-25 1:46 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 16:44 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 12:45 ` Tony Finch
2018-06-25 16:41 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-25 14:44 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-25 15:44 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 16:03 ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-25 17:22 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 16:10 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-25 17:37 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 19:35 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 20:09 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-25 20:47 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-25 21:15 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-26 7:01 ` arnold
2018-06-26 8:57 ` Derek Fawcus
2018-06-26 11:29 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-26 13:09 ` Tony Finch
2018-06-26 18:04 ` Warner Losh
2018-06-26 21:16 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-27 21:33 ` Michael Parson
2018-06-27 22:27 ` Clem cole
2018-06-28 5:57 ` arnold
2018-06-28 18:36 ` Michael Parson
2018-06-26 15:57 ` Michael Kjörling
2018-06-26 21:09 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-26 21:18 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-26 23:45 ` George Michaelson
2018-06-25 20:15 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-06-26 8:27 ` Tony Finch
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