From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31376 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2023 02:07:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Aug 2023 02:07:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A7F41016; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 12:07:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2f]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13E2C41013 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 12:07:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-44781abd5a8so215023137.1 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 19:07:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1691028432; x=1691633232; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ShMAUMVI4fWYdlBtZFKio7dLLW+AqKSDZg9udjcn0cw=; b=CE4CoRQRMfl8OhGPOygJbVD0H3Wg3XIAU4nSJHEU7sVEEKgDoPpW7vDxxiTPEiwJvH m/3rocLnvVAHn7L5LwhX3O3NvqpwflNSB42HeH6IuwxkBkrt98MIlzL9aDbQffaVVrcF PbU8jhzNqVIQzqZUMpgM61mwO+zbnLVrSX6bg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691028432; x=1691633232; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=ShMAUMVI4fWYdlBtZFKio7dLLW+AqKSDZg9udjcn0cw=; b=JLHT3XPHYe9oDIaYj/DLIXTtowLnRv2vCaI8r8OLQAkoz0J8ZbeU77Wv8lnS+Vjd7i TUTOSAw09bo7ZxFCP+j8uLV6zfSeLyVTLHe6/j5anB/Zotr4WpKqiKbBT3vnyKXYennT mj6ahGVWbsu4GoJ1qWbdJ1+LkGxX69gYRcy09fPD+dYm3cjb5/v5XsqmaFCqWf/eT3P1 xYpLwOoMKUFwOsdnYgug3hz0ecz1lxrPwlOBedxjl/67DOUhuOXbPhLZ45vzi8fF1to8 nPyQ+aW32rharypcXw/GH+DGtf2j6qt8QClW1PqhIjHvIdVcLzK0hMiEwWNTHfyjBYVd biSw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLbGSPVuGxgKHMOTdmIw9YKWyh89dSmv4F5e5fPZuVsCkzEfAwdU 6Dma1Os1DFJK3bIkNiEtvW3PSptKM2tY8q5IlwR+AQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlG9WLZL8S/VKpaYAKzCHE0zpbFACIMSJB6WOctUodD+/GoR7AGfxj9cInAiDQQ19Era73hgG/ttVUXecOAyD1E= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:a30:b0:444:ca59:57a6 with SMTP id 16-20020a0561020a3000b00444ca5957a6mr5877712vsb.8.1691028431690; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 19:07:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8246.1690761540@cesium.clock.org> <29602.1690887524@cesium.clock.org> <20230803005106.GA12652@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20230803005106.GA12652@mcvoy.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 22:07:00 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f9f4670601fb3c3e" Message-ID-Hash: XE7PQEXESQAMMSYYEXR6O74ZED3DMMUY X-Message-ID-Hash: XE7PQEXESQAMMSYYEXR6O74ZED3DMMUY X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Grant Taylor , segaloco , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: python List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000f9f4670601fb3c3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IMO (Like Larry) no printf stinks. But the real killer for my sustain for Python is the use white space and being typeless. My daughter loves it for her cloud development and we argue a bit. But it was the first language she really mastered in college and she never took a competitive languages course so I=E2=80=99m not so sure really had experienced much bey= ond it for real programs. Maybe I=E2=80=99m just an old fart but between C, Go a= nd Rust I=E2=80=99m pretty good. I do write scripts in Bourne shell and or awk tru= th be known. On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:51 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 07:49:18PM -0400, Rich Salz wrote: > > > [Python is] meant for mainly functional programming as I understand i= t > > > > Not true. It has some neat functional features (list comprehensions) bu= t > > that's not really its intent. > > I've really tried to like python but any language that doesn't has printf > as builtin is not for me. Yes, I know about their library printf but it > is weird. > -- > --- > Larry McVoy Retired to fishing > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat > --=20 Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --000000000000f9f4670601fb3c3e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IMO (Like Larry) no printf stinks.=C2=A0 But the real kil= ler for my sustain for Python is the use white space and being typeless. = =C2=A0 My daughter loves it for her cloud development and we argue a bit.= =C2=A0 But it was the first language she really mastered in college and she= never took a competitive languages course so I=E2=80=99m not so sure reall= y had experienced much beyond it for real programs. =C2=A0 Maybe I=E2=80=99= m just an old fart but between C, Go and Rust I=E2=80=99m pretty good.=C2= =A0 I do write scripts in Bourne shell and or awk truth be known.=C2=A0

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:51 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
On= Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 07:49:18PM -0400, Rich Salz wrote:
> > [Python is] meant for mainly functional programming as I understa= nd it
>
> Not true. It has some neat functional features (list comprehensions) b= ut
> that's not really its intent.

I've really tried to like python but any language that doesn't has = printf
as builtin is not for me.=C2=A0 Yes, I know about their library printf but = it
is weird.=C2=A0
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Larry McVoy=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Retired to fishing=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat
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Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
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