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From: clemc@ccc.com (Clem Cole)
Subject: [TUHS] unix "awesome list"
Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 12:32:00 -0400	[thread overview]
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On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Steve Johnson <scj at yaccman.com> wrote:

> Well, as I look to the future I see the whole approach we have to software
> running into a dead end.  In fact, I think software is holding us back.
>
​You might be right here, but where we disagree I think is economics.​  The
problem is that we can not afford to replace SW.   As I like to point out,
Fortran still pays my salary -- why because all the data and codes that use
that data written since the late 1950s.

Its just worse in the commercial side.  Word and Lookout/Exchange sucks -
but people use them and they are not going away.  Think about the LISP
Machine or the CM1 - lots of people though they were 'better' for some
concept of goodness.  But they failed in the end.






>
> ​...​
>
> Starting about 2000, this changed.  Hardware was no longer offering
> increased speed.  But what it was offering was massive parallelism.  The
> response was to cling to the one instruction at a time model, introducing
> multicore and its attendant hardware complexity to try to cling to the
> previous model of programming.   The hardware to make this possible is
> expensive and does not scale.
>
​I agree but ... IMO its going to take a real Christensen disruption with a
new customer base.   I just don't see that happening any time soon.
 Without a new customer base to support the new technology, the economics
of the keeping the old running has and will continue to go forward.​




>
> And it's exciting...
>
​I agree and I'm a fan and cheering from the sidelines .... but I'm
skeptical of success because the economics don't play to success..​
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Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-07 18:22 A. P. Garcia
2018-05-07 21:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-05-07 21:53   ` Steve Johnson
2018-05-08 12:24     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-08 13:51       ` Bakul Shah
2018-05-08 14:53         ` Clem Cole
2018-05-08 15:23           ` Jon Steinhart
2018-05-08 15:31           ` Steve Johnson
2018-05-08 16:32             ` Clem Cole [this message]
2018-05-08 17:33             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-08 18:40             ` William Cheswick
2018-05-08 21:25             ` Bakul Shah
2018-05-08 23:06             ` [TUHS] (early parallel/concurrent computing) (was: unix "awesome list") Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-05-09  0:25               ` Ron Natalie
2018-05-09  1:28                 ` Kurt H Maier
2018-05-08 21:15           ` [TUHS] unix "awesome list" Bakul Shah
2018-05-08 16:31       ` Michael Parson
2018-05-08 17:20         ` Larry McVoy
2018-05-08 17:49           ` Michael Parson
2018-05-08 20:48           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-05-08 17:53         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-07 21:54   ` Steve Nickolas
2018-05-08  8:14     ` Mutiny
2018-05-07 22:34 ` Andy Kosela
2018-05-08 15:17 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-08 15:22 ` Warner Losh
2018-05-08 16:18 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-05-08 19:37   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-05-08 19:54     ` Grant Taylor

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