From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 9a1b0847 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0798A94ED0; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 01:37:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B286A94926; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 01:37:05 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="mLL1gxRS"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CE11A94926; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 01:37:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f53.google.com (mail-wr1-f53.google.com [209.85.221.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E96A94925 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 01:37:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f53.google.com with SMTP id t17so7918162wrw.13 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:37:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RJ7fUifom07Q4QNpNUNXgPCYWhVdr9XSuFSCYNk2RVI=; b=mLL1gxRS9QA4p9QcBr+37rbqJClypBEfxMZrInPwQ9FXaQOzn/4V+FTs4hIrqT5/Y9 Dd2hAQEEZ27EZuxGbD0KtCzqEU1Vc4ZJ2Z6GSxhc09Itdx80vAtKi9d+ZVv/MyLF4TMG oCqHLErZVisSmf1g94bITsBCP67/Xpw0Qz/Zw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RJ7fUifom07Q4QNpNUNXgPCYWhVdr9XSuFSCYNk2RVI=; b=cIH4H6IZd+T7M3DAuAWy/VvP0tt2qdgCsJJecC26YKr6QSm0+D7o/TwqGWj5GqZ2CB hnh0DROGG2ihh2YfNmTvvLYrQqpEHbH4Id8ar9gen0gQBXyMZ+Lx7i/ZbctY+LGYglQG 01OA0xLP88iRpk7PwBOQlwx+KVXYzOEv14zsstXfELRPJHyteNcGAoVkmkwWmuoDhcwU Rz7BuVvzHpUfdsKOmstVIbUkHvka85XcmXfEeA1jxmpMxF8Bf7f86zZoIjhC6SlZA/ty EQBcYazv3OnSE6vg5UpKktA6gdgKcRQJhj/Sh0Y05CKL9wiLU5AEs8/pAQN1Rh9tmTJI hH8w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWAauJ3DDRYPp09LOJZFq/3B0376S1ioNqurCh2j2qB+1i9iFOj BfDSqbzeUPK2MZZU8Fg08uAwAFBgiVQpWsTQzMJ2mg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwCUWfoqP2HrGMPE2txQR7QLDFqRhMiT4MNIQ2hnL0nMk8+B9s+KjbkJYFEniaFjU845KFqE7FIIojQFM73F4s= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6681:: with SMTP id l1mr1202854wru.186.1554997019492; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:36:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14453.1554920068@cesium.clock.org> <57C2E8D6-148C-487E-A6AE-B6E0E6EC337C@bitblocks.com> <7b575d14-270c-1d3a-7419-0329ffb42669@esse.ch> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:36:33 -0400 Message-ID: To: Dan Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f95800058642f495" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Paper discussing Unix boot process? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000f95800058642f495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I was at Tektronix in the late 70s, I was able to get my boss to buy me (us - but for my desk) a copy of the original (with the orange and red covers for the two books - the commentary was in one and the sources in the other but I have forgotten which was which). However, my own (current) photocopy was from CMU a few years before. I left Tek and I have no idea what happened to that new copy since Tek owned it (and I was not smart enough at the time to re-duplicate it, so my current copy is a fading nth generation one). I must have handed the "real" one to the late Terry Lawskodi, or maybe Larry Morandi or Steve Glaser (I'll have to ask Steve and Larry if they know what became of the Tek copy). =E1=90=A7 On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 10:55 AM Dan Cross wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:49 AM Clem Cole wrote: > >> As my very fragile nth edition photocopy shows, the original Western >> Electric copies are not troff'ed and run through a typesetter because Jo= hn >> (like most of us at the time) did not have access to one (and Tom Ferrin >> had not yet done the vcat(1) hack at UCSF). Lions used standard nroff >> output - (in this case, originally to 132 column line printer paper I >> believe). >> > > Indeed. Even the mid-90's Peer-to-Peer press reprinting appears to be, > roughly, a facsimile of line printer output. I say 'roughly' because ther= e > is some prefatory material at the beginning that is properly typeset: > dedications, acknowledgements, etc, all written at the time of > (re)publication and similarly a set of "appreciations" at the end. > > Interestingly, the title page appears to be approximately original and is > typeset. It also includes this little gem of a note: "COPY NO. 050B NAME > PROPERTY OF BELL LABORATORIES, INC. COPY TO BE RETURNED TO: COMPUTING > INFORMATION SERVICE MH 2F-128 UNIX OPERATING SYSTEM SOURCE CODE VERSION 6= " > (line breaks elided). > > I don't think I've ever seen a copy of the original; I suspect the title > page was reset for the PP publication, though it is of course possible th= at > Lions could have prepared that specially: doing a "one-off" for a single > page, perhaps under contract with an actual publishing company or graphic > artist or something, would have been reasonable while the rest of the > booklet contents were taken from listings. > > >> [snip] >> >> > - Dan C. > > --000000000000f95800058642f495 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I was at Tektronix in the late 70s, I was able to = get my boss to buy me (us - but for my desk) a copy of the original=C2=A0 (= with the orange and red covers for the two books - the commentary was in on= e and the sources in the other but I have forgotten which was which).=C2=A0= However, my own (current) photocopy was from CMU a few years before.=C2=A0= =C2=A0I left Tek and I have no idea what happened to that new copy since T= ek owned it (and I was not smart enough at the time to re-duplicate it, so = my current copy is a fading nth generation one).=C2=A0 I must have handed t= he "real" one to the late Terry Lawskodi, or maybe Larry Morandi = or Steve Glaser (I'll have to ask Steve and Larry if they know what bec= ame of the Tek copy).
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On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at= 10:55 AM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:49 AM Clem Col= e <clemc@ccc.com&= gt; wrote:
As my very fragile nth edition photocopy shows, the origi= nal Western Electric copies are not troff'ed=C2=A0and run through a typ= esetter because John (like most of us at the time) did not have access to o= ne (and Tom Ferrin had not yet done the vcat(1) hack at UCSF).=C2=A0 Lions = used standard nroff output - (in this case, originally to 132 column line p= rinter paper I believe).=C2=A0

= Indeed. Even the mid-90's Peer-to-Peer press reprinting appears to be, = roughly, a facsimile of line printer output. I say 'roughly' becaus= e there is some prefatory material at the beginning that is properly typese= t: dedications, acknowledgements, etc, all written at the time of (re)publi= cation and similarly a set of "appreciations" at the end.

Interestingly, the title page appears to be approximately= original and is typeset. It also includes this little gem of a note: "= ;COPY NO. 050B=C2=A0 NAME PROPERTY OF BELL LABORATORIES, INC. COPY TO BE RE= TURNED TO: COMPUTING INFORMATION SERVICE MH 2F-128 UNIX OPERATING SYSTEM SO= URCE CODE VERSION 6" (line breaks elided).

I = don't think I've ever seen a copy of the original; I suspect the ti= tle page was reset for the PP publication, though it is of course possible = that Lions could have prepared that specially: doing a "one-off" = for a single page, perhaps under contract with an actual publishing company= or graphic artist or something, would have been reasonable while the rest = of the booklet contents were taken from listings.
=C2=A0
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">[snip]

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Dan C.

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