From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22419 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2023 02:59:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Feb 2023 02:59:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F62424AD; Wed, 1 Feb 2023 12:59:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-f45.google.com (mail-ua1-f45.google.com [209.85.222.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC01B424AC for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2023 12:59:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f45.google.com with SMTP id x23so539703uau.3 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2023 18:59:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ljpiT2YS5YPv7cQt3HNJyxQvpRV8Msz3q5603Y3bdBM=; b=kz4USlcRyAiB2RW9i/b9xQRMpF2i6Et99qFKsl9JKK7+kY1QaY6wJLyjtQ3J+j4BKV KAYrARP285QgeweXLbi5qdLBzmaTEjM6N365hKn4mdVgEm35oAdJp2CcKOQssaLoOB1u 6Yn123Nv9T0AsyCC3GAWwAGgw8gau8wb7yB94= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=ljpiT2YS5YPv7cQt3HNJyxQvpRV8Msz3q5603Y3bdBM=; b=oz9EpGzbf4KOQZthe9JqBgOg3I/twXSjCAPC25P1/VZz06qrQHTDqM+e6xGXVUkrfd EyZV1+i5tgMfRXKl4pftAIeqC+fyneTB6d3Uh9vkKDbQN6XX7Komqa6UtNJ0aHD53Pc5 4grEQidOyn00b12tVxFZGpwRBYn1vn/WXtIPbvmpJprUgkU0/30Mx62oLoHTlDJP2Hyj PFg9pLmL0fi/1W/0I6Un6L46Um3qAN9udWv3/ucDASTH+F5ApMdCh8y3QZStUzbxZkK+ aRKxsXy1JLKhhFoWtN79JDiQcvnQZSTJaD3D4lWj+Qc1APkPBCFbZdMC6wmRxr7t7x9u awhA== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKVK1gA3GI17OhL0aLEcUrlke3SNgx9vYdx8v019zJ1Vo2LtDN9i fhi7ru+mZ5wi84y4c/tXToo7OPcggoWCGMYFhLswFA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/fGjjGlbKYpSqeojtxDK0boykKdULHJKf6/gxlLKhASvyGtzW6dTuW8QxsqrfMD47r8wuVnjTKE428gDet7gY= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:6314:0:b0:674:8369:6fef with SMTP id a20-20020ab06314000000b0067483696fefmr108893uap.52.1675220309949; Tue, 31 Jan 2023 18:58:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 21:58:19 -0500 Message-ID: To: Will Senn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007edb9905f39a9fa9" Message-ID-Hash: EE2OHXAGVTZQE7DX32FL5Z2DFYBAQNBO X-Message-ID-Hash: EE2OHXAGVTZQE7DX32FL5Z2DFYBAQNBO X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Unix game origins - stories similar to Crowther's Adventure List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000007edb9905f39a9fa9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wumpus predates Unix. It was a basic game on the GE635 when I first saw it in the mid 1960s along with a horse racing game a blackjack game. I ran them on the ASR 33 in my Dads office it=E2=80=99s what got be interested in computers actually Many games were on different systems and reimplemented. david Ahl eventually published a book called 101 basic computer games which was a collection that he brought together from a number of systems. HP2000, TSS/8, DTSS and GCOS as well as TOPS and later RSTS all had games as well as Unix. As for Moonlander, my friend the late Jack Burness wrote it as a contractor for DEC as a demo for the GT40 and was also not of Unix origin. Originally it was DOS11 later RT11. It=E2=80=99s an amazing piece of code - check ou= t his 16 bit cordic integer trig routines. He sat in the MIT library for a weekend figuring out how to write them. Hand simulating everything. Went back to Maynard and typed up his routines. Very impressive Rogue was Unix however but that was BSD. On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:32 PM Will Senn wrote: > All, > > I just saw this over on dragonflydigest.com: > > https://0j2zj3i75g.unbox.ifarchive.org/0j2zj3i75g/Article.html > > It's an article from 2007 about the history and genesis of the Colossal > Cave Adventure game - replete with lots of pics. What I found fascinating > was that the game is based on the author's actual cave explorations vis a > vis the real Colossal Cave. Gives you a whole new appreciation for the ga= me. > > My question is do y'all know of any interesting backstories about games > that were developed and or gained traction on unix? I like some of the > early stuff (wumpus, in particular), but know nothing of origins. Or, was > it all just mindless entertainment designed to wile away the time? > Spacewar, I know a bit about, but not the story, if there is one... Maybe= , > somebody needed to develop a new program to simulate the use of fuel in > rockets against gravity and... so... lunar lander was born? I dunno, as > somebody who grew up playing text games, I'd like to think there was more > behind the fun that mindless entertainment... So, how about it, was your > officemate at bell labs tooling away nights writing a game that had the > whole office addicted to playing it, while little did they know the > characters were characterizations of his annoying neighbors? > > If you don't mind, if you take the thread off into the distance and away > from unix game origins, please rename the thread quickly :). > > Thanks, > > Will > > > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --0000000000007edb9905f39a9fa9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wumpus predates Unix.=C2=A0 It was a basic game on the GE= 635 when I first saw it in the mid 1960s along with a horse racing game a b= lackjack game.=C2=A0 I ran them on the ASR 33 in my Dads office it=E2=80=99= s what got be interested in computers actually=C2=A0

Many games were on different systems and reimp= lemented. =C2=A0david Ahl eventually published a book called 101 basic comp= uter games which was a collection that he brought together from a number of= systems.=C2=A0

HP2000, = TSS/8, DTSS and GCOS as well as TOPS and later RSTS all had games as well a= s Unix. =C2=A0

As for Mo= onlander, my friend the late Jack Burness wrote it as a contractor for DEC = as a demo for the GT40 and was also not of Unix origin.=C2=A0 Originally it= was DOS11 later RT11. =C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s an amazing piece of code - check= out his 16 bit cordic integer trig routines. =C2=A0 He sat in the MIT libr= ary for a weekend figuring out how to write them.=C2=A0 Hand simulating eve= rything.=C2=A0 Went back to Maynard and typed up his routines. =C2=A0 Very = impressive=C2=A0

Rogue w= as Unix however but that was BSD. =C2=A0

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On= Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:32 PM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
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All,

I just saw this over on dragonflydigest.com:

https://0j2zj3i75g.unbox.ifarchive.org/0j2zj3i75g/A= rticle.html

It's an article from 2007 about the history and genesis of the Colossal Cave Adventure game - replete with lots of pics. What I found fascinating was that the game is based on the author's actual cave explorations vis a vis the real Colossal Cave. Gives you a whole new appreciation for the game.

My question is do y'all know of any interesting backstories about games that were developed and or gained traction on unix? I like some of the early stuff (wumpus, in particular), but know nothing of origins. Or, was it all just mindless entertainment designed to wile away the time? Spacewar, I know a bit about, but not the story, if there is one... Maybe, somebody needed to develop a new program to simulate the use of fuel in rockets against gravity and... so... lunar lander was born? I dunno, as somebody who grew up playing text games, I'd like to think there was more behind th= e fun that mindless entertainment... So, how about it, was your officemate at bell labs tooling away nights writing a game that had the whole office addicted to playing it, while little did they know the characters were characterizations of his annoying neighbors?

If you don't mind, if you take the thread off into the distance and away from unix game origins, please rename the thread quickly :).

Thanks,

Will
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