From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24005 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2020 21:28:20 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Jul 2020 21:28:20 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 263F39C6B6; Sat, 4 Jul 2020 07:28:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F529C5E1; Sat, 4 Jul 2020 07:27:18 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="naTpXL7L"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F24E89C5E1; Sat, 4 Jul 2020 07:27:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f181.google.com (mail-qt1-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5561994585 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2020 07:27:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f181.google.com with SMTP id x62so24811838qtd.3 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:27:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=F9/XYjP+TduXA+A7o1uqVVzx5VDwZx9BypOa9+SopYk=; b=naTpXL7LNRgEYO+mYA/dMcdgibogAKwJXx/nEVwLFKCv7oENY0WHe4TyW1ZpyVyjld bQd2zMoJtowJqIOfgCrLfVazFs3ofHpCQvFI5YpoFT+CAMUGuITkTI1dr9Lhfafg+UeE qAYF8Zkl4+m4E1LF38gJYbcdU50rBaFDnNBOU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=F9/XYjP+TduXA+A7o1uqVVzx5VDwZx9BypOa9+SopYk=; b=UTWlbp2FX9KdDXx2tlnIxq0FehtuYzVdw6/VLwNaRhqNj28IRSSJpvsxGWhL33K7mn c43jLmT2abgmybKXHQwqkjW5VY1gX9RZKWmPEXP5qtBKO6Q0V3AnK1Lx/W90jIrCMxd/ 1ipVJTxILNX9ub0jqRh4ehXI5SAmgMRUF8VFRsBNHAsXR0Ra7PhmobLQr0Y/3gefWX21 b9oJMn0mB+PhgX63TDqEWvAp/WNUn/DCXPM5Exy55loIdJZxexM41G+br6hbGV7Tvy4K O+5bBKjqe32Ex31VN+zOgDAKaB9o38EIvsPWP9r9gInbBQl5eh3bLKrgeSTdcKnuq6Ag 8PJw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532SR5wI5FCrLLu+jFgjEpIS4/7n27Di7LE51wgfJRQDK2rO1UDX HQfuI11sKVyZX8CcB/6pPqI10scCf4QJ9rPQ4cDJGA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwuFatn125Dy6vFrzYiErs1ZQJV6fy3x2UwtfUftqVXGj/EhDpi9VxwOX8+Qmi1ixmJczSQr5m5czmvAHo/MyI= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:4509:: with SMTP id q9mr38444569qtn.119.1593811634173; Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:27:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 17:26:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: Adam Thornton Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004b48c805a9903097" Subject: Re: [TUHS] v7 uucp debugging help requested X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000004b48c805a9903097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 4:54 PM Adam Thornton wrote: > (if this is better suited for COFF, that'd be fine too) > > I've been trying to set up UUCP on my V7 system and its raspberry Pi > host. This plus the "s" editor (already working) are really all that's > needed to make this something pretty close to a daily driver, if all I > wanted to do was write text files (which in some sense is all my job _is_, > but to be fair I get a much more immediate feedback loop in my current > environment). > > I was following > https://github.com/jwbrase/pdp11-tools/blob/master/howtos/V7%20UUCP%20Installation%20Guide.pdf > more or less--I had already rebuilt v7 with the DZ terminal driver and was > using it for interactive sessions (albeit, before I started trying to get > UUCP running, with 7-bit line discipline--but I've since changed that). > > I have 16 DZ lines, I've set them to 8-bit mode. They're working fine, > because I can use them for terminal sessions. > As a long time UUCP person on PDP-11's, "Danger Will Robinson." Just for grins and giggles on the V7/PDP-11 side, try it over a DH (VH driver in simh) emulation (or even a KL/DL - although the simulated interrupts will be a mother). That said, the VH driver is a not exactly a DH as I understand it, its the later QBUS version which was similar but different. It's been on my list of things I want to chase down at some point to make work to get it closer to the original. FYI: Running UUCP over real DZ's was always troublesome. There were a ton of updates/patches done post the original V7 release in the DZ drivers to make them play better. Most of us that ran large UUCP set up in the old days, installed ABLE DMAX (DH/DM) that were a single board DH replacement - they are DMA, and buffered (and supported proper modem control which the DZ's don't - although later UCB work on the driver sort of faked it enough to make to it work for basic dial-up use reasonably reliably). --0000000000004b48c805a9903097 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 4:54 = PM Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail= .com> wrote:
(if this is better suited for COFF, that'd be= fine too)

I've been trying to set up UUCP on = my V7 system and its raspberry Pi host.=C2=A0 This plus the "s" e= ditor (already working) are really all that's needed to make this somet= hing pretty close to a daily driver, if all I wanted to do was write text f= iles (which in some sense is all my job _is_, but to be fair I get a much m= ore immediate feedback loop in my current environment).

I was following htt= ps://github.com/jwbrase/pdp11-tools/blob/master/howtos/V7%20UUCP%20Installa= tion%20Guide.pdf more or less--I had already rebuilt v7 with the DZ ter= minal driver and was using it for interactive sessions (albeit, before I st= arted trying to get UUCP running, with 7-bit line discipline--but I've = since changed that).

I have 16 DZ lines, I've = set them to 8-bit mode.=C2=A0 They're working fine, because I can use t= hem for terminal sessions.
As a long time = UUCP person on PDP-11's, "Danger Will Robinson."
=

Just for grins and giggles on the V7/PDP= -11 side, try it over a DH=C2=A0 (VH driver in simh) emulation (or even a K= L/DL - although the simulated=C2=A0interrupts will be a mother).=C2=A0 That= said, the VH driver is a not exactly a DH as I understand it, its the late= r QBUS version which was similar but different.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It's been o= n my list of things I want to chase down at some point to make work to get = it closer to the original.

F= YI: Running UUCP over real DZ's was always troublesome.=C2=A0 There wer= e a ton of updates/patches done post the original V7 release in the DZ driv= ers to make them play better.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Most of us that ran la= rge UUCP set up in the old days, installed ABLE DMAX (DH/DM) that were a si= ngle board DH replacement - they are DMA, and buffered (and supported prope= r modem control which the DZ's don't - although later UCB work on t= he driver sort of faked it enough to make to it work for basic dial-up use = reasonably reliably).


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