From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RDNS_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 9918 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2020 22:31:13 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from unknown (HELO minnie.tuhs.org) (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2020 22:31:13 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3CB829D74E; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:31:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DD69D736; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:30:50 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="FvNZuc/y"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A1D0E9D736; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:30:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f175.google.com (mail-qt1-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34D719D734 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:30:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f175.google.com with SMTP id m33so12610976qtb.3 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:30:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vOwGMXmAQzkLAlv/b3e147oB557KWNWjDJ4at75lzOY=; b=FvNZuc/yrFTRYUYg1GyeCyJhoFOqAqjwv3xiSlEh7SUhlGemkQFJQ8wfeWfNl2ct+Q pI7rIZiSuOFQSbydT1ixakYgcISC2DCvnYcingW3Hd3umGjzADy/ZJMI515wEPBHGErE McTSFKo+mLW0N1daSO876JqHpavVbjwBVz5Uw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vOwGMXmAQzkLAlv/b3e147oB557KWNWjDJ4at75lzOY=; b=gpotIhWheC/QNG9BkE5OFW1trgR83KpOYPiXRZI3VirIzUg4cKMZ0aT0Z5GSOJ4dIK L4kxpb81ZSnr5DGIOyla2Xo00qcOEWrXOQmJHKt6YtND+OI3d5Vpn+4lfw9apbLB4DX3 y+pCjjMxcEz6qqKchPDerIPRZsTj1wO5Au1/DzJ/vL9dwobgL7LEpdcPil1QNryN8KqR R/JuV6VLCXn9NfXUytNZtOzAeXasMiuNkhrGDogvizScwmmou1dw3JZTc0HuAXkocK/a Sjd+mVLOdqoncahTshOHIXFcakxAW3PMXpZHl3f2cPPVa3TdSJjlHVHyz9E4uoJer5lr C+rA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1beQCZ4wwBUIdxCR4RrWkK7eIF1iP2XbFot01aKIe8Xrvfe5Ih 5fs3x7iBjZllSy84QYyXOtlKn0MjDsTFlBDoE1n8Hg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vvIQcqtVvaqTTRRXvmpA9+pf+FoKugXgMVCODyxnwMIJcllxJOgjbMKKFKG7A/tuSvYrdti5d4KDXJYzXpIfxM= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:777b:: with SMTP id h27mr21660598qtu.119.1584311447047; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:30:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202003132331.02DNVaxN061501@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <0538034f-98cb-1063-b94d-e7b77b548d6d@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:30:20 -0400 Message-ID: To: Rob Pike Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000003e5f905a0ec4125" Subject: Re: [TUHS] The most surprising Unix programs X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000003e5f905a0ec4125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 6:01 PM Rob Pike wrote: > It's hard for younger programmers to appreciate how different things once > were. > Amen bro. But I would add how to do well with less. To me, the marvel of V6 was how complete it still is. Other than the lack of a networking stack, and multiple windows/screens, much of what I still do day to day as a programmer can be done with 6th edition. I'd miss Go and some of the original features of ANSI C, but the editor's we had got the job, there was even a video version I was happy with. I used troff to make slides instead of PPT. I guess I would miss a Chrome and Gmail, if I have to go back to MH/HM for email. FWIW: I just wrote a QUORA answer and referred folks to your and Brian's original book. Someone wanted to know as a beginner the 'best way to learn Ubuntu.' --00000000000003e5f905a0ec4125 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 6:01= PM Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com= > wrote:
It's hard for younger programmers to appreciate how different things on= ce were.
Amen bro.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 But I would add ho= w to do well with less.
To me, the marvel of V6 was how comp= lete it still is.=C2=A0 Other than the lack of a networking stack, and mult= iple windows/screens, much of what I still do day to day as a programmer ca= n be done with 6th edition.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'd miss Go and some of the ori= ginal features of ANSI C, but the editor's we had got the job, there wa= s even a video version I was happy with.=C2=A0 I used troff to make slides = instead of PPT.=C2=A0 I guess I would miss a Chrome and Gmail, if I have to= go back to MH/HM for email.

FWIW:=C2=A0 I just wrote = a QUORA answer and referred=C2=A0folks to your and Brian's original boo= k. Someone wanted to know as a beginner the 'best way to learn Ubuntu.&= #39;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
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