From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1799 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2022 16:52:53 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jul 2022 16:52:53 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96A940C3C; Sun, 3 Jul 2022 02:52:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f43.google.com (mail-wr1-f43.google.com [209.85.221.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09C1140C27 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2022 02:52:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f43.google.com with SMTP id v9so7352087wrp.7 for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2022 09:52:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Vh0REJL2zhZLWc1GO01sUJmJ+vWmT8PuGl0S9Zfb3Po=; b=I5VJvLboMzoiTl7jpnBKoeUGRrjfdJrvVpapkvcdT1oJZfY80gEouV2mSFG77pV317 Bn/BCtGZWFy3vvJMaUqVXIC1LJqOBKCW3Xyt7T3l6YzokWXrWmPR+/fIwenkRrK1kQKn hdNtvqNYwq2X1WjmYtyBWUlbwUvWCQjYE44og= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Vh0REJL2zhZLWc1GO01sUJmJ+vWmT8PuGl0S9Zfb3Po=; b=sTkUt5P0TrpOv7F8j/w7qj/yDbhjkj1W1aSDxye5cZYmAlEtM5egFVBSEfC7/o0iHF TRukoKPq5pBiZq8/3rgopJ/FwbxHRwJHt5aBNERz5Lv5JEqUzYgSPJXF9zNOKmIuvVu3 ZS9ZTyIkmFnsaQTVU+mJjUhZHzNYOU2qfl4YFurnwOvIGaNYzz/7pUOTv98hKvs8Sq0x 7oM5jlpH9SS3yJSAqLVmglE2UmBoEvbavko/uNlksJsuM92qiTjcq6I+KnuoVf5zUZpr jdOEEMhM+KGrOSurFRVfQ2nhVlIIAK/YTcDn7ZZ9Gbzrjih8r6F2oybV9wCHCLMsp89a WfeQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/QZyIXAXYJ5cOTb4MM2TRPnPE+W5Vl8hFjox2w9lbRgNITMRco /sNUurfU70QJUU5Uy0oUtObeTmfC0jkkIW6dOEMBOSO7AQg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1syzeJScGy3yYlidKfu84fCUPpaYiMnvHxIEOW7FDDWjCLzU4NDYg0Ozdgb/wuBg3DqYY/vKyaWVqhHnrzw6mg= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:664d:0:b0:21a:3b82:6bb2 with SMTP id f13-20020a5d664d000000b0021a3b826bb2mr19102036wrw.534.1656780702161; Sat, 02 Jul 2022 09:51:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 12:51:16 -0400 Message-ID: To: Douglas McIlroy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000039383d05e2d5511d" Message-ID-Hash: 23T5YDKSZBYA5QOY223UU22KV6QSTBXT X-Message-ID-Hash: 23T5YDKSZBYA5QOY223UU22KV6QSTBXT X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Typesetting Mathematics by Kernighan and Cherry, retypeset List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000039383d05e2d5511d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If V10 was formally released, then yes - I would make that argument and feel free to say it to the judge. That said, did Caldera (and/or Nokia) officially release it or are they just 'not noticing' that it is available in the wild? I was under the impression that the only thing official is through V7. But all the other versions have 'leaked' and are widely available, and whoever owns that IP at this point, is not pursuing protection. I am aware that Caldera ended up with rights of 'UNIX' - certainly through SVR5 -- and they released V1-V7 and 32V under their license (pointed too in the earlier message). However, I am ownsnot aware of who formally owns V8-V10 (I would assume Caldera also but that IP might have stayed with Lucent then Nokia as part of that BTL IP transfer]. Also, did Nokia 'formally' release Plan9 or Inferno -- is there a document like the Caldera one? =E1=90=A7 On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 12:34 PM Douglas McIlroy < douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > I understand UNIX v7 is under this BSD-style license by Caldera Inc. > > https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf > > The eqn document by Kernighan and Cherry also appears in the v10 > manual, copyright by AT&T and published as a trade book. Wouldn't the > recent release of v10 also pertain to the manual? > > Doug > --00000000000039383d05e2d5511d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If V10 was formally released, then yes - I would make= =C2=A0that argument and feel free to say it to the=C2=A0judge.

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That said, did Caldera (and/or Nokia) officially=C2=A0release it o= r are they just 'not noticing' that it is available in the wild?

I was under the impression that the only thing official= =C2=A0is through=C2=A0V7.=C2=A0 But all the other versions have 'leaked= ' and are widely available, and whoever owns that IP at this point, is = not pursuing protection.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am aware that Caldera ended up with = rights of 'UNIX' - certainly through SVR5 -- and they released V1-V= 7 and 32V under their license (pointed too in the earlier message).=C2=A0 H= owever, I am ownsnot aware of who formally owns V8-V10 (I would assume Cald= era also but that IP might have stayed with Lucent then Nokia as part of th= at BTL IP transfer].=C2=A0 Also, did Nokia 'formally' release Plan9= or Inferno -- is there a document like the=C2=A0Caldera one?
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On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 12:34 PM Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu<= /a>> wrote:
&= gt; I understand UNIX v7 is under this BSD-style license by Caldera Inc. >=C2=A0 https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-lice= nse.pdf

The eqn document by Kernighan and Cherry also appears in the v10
manual, copyright by AT&T and published as a trade book. Wouldn't= =C2=A0 the
recent release of v10 also pertain to the manual?

Doug
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