From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31050 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2020 22:03:24 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Aug 2020 22:03:24 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 20EDE9CA05; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 08:03:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CA99CA04; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 08:02:40 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="YFafxKd3"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C1C2193D54; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 08:02:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f182.google.com (mail-qt1-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 055E993D49 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 08:02:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f182.google.com with SMTP id n18so3052807qtw.0 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 15:02:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DUtLxFMC5Qfm2K9QXEjOIhNJ+2ugr+Yi/1dyavaFhdo=; b=YFafxKd3ZS6ARkej2J/ze9tiuTmSJ7TmOG4U3TMhLaK399aH7Z6AS1SM9EGDD14MA7 txP3lpCttrYVDaWuV+dOnOxCc8ANeqgOCfuTw1oaoWAgy8GCHsUlu4Bdl441MvbBPAbK UXDTdAGYUnAllRjTHBTg8Uw+uv8rcgOymD32s= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DUtLxFMC5Qfm2K9QXEjOIhNJ+2ugr+Yi/1dyavaFhdo=; b=PCswgWPEcbkmRa8ZidpiffDD8wTq0ovAFYSooSdCfLumXlR45H6rv12WXd3SJ1RDQ3 bdeIPijOJV7ueEYsi0sb0mz8jT8wxruCbShyyRvsUZdKoAIsEa0mSfbi364hfr9KJxzz ko1ez2tmhmvIsSkGGFPIOWJVcy3PsChm5YlBwfuZgG8kI+2wdCXNb83sY7fZS8OTdYEt ZIcb5fcniQGJR9elt1ZTaLE0QfFdWjcWuyGK70O2/NW2DvA2T9g44jNtYpuDK11Vcrq8 qY2Wy6QWUZ07IEBho4NwE2KmbyBXp4QUZIGmV0SrsN7opUTHxxDXEJCFmcAoDkw+9tWY oPeA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531sgS8H1OjNILPZ8lPMl98qgZgrxRyS8+2mbDVzL9EgjVkzSQ8z SlrHZdeRuwujpz4edAPALKWhX8daqWE6X5pzn6T9gg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxezRmwasepGn8B3iiFKVABk022GyHC/Ve7R2nWQ/HD1ldJqVvUgliG7/ntELDqBgzclNLXp9m6ZBcJ4FLf6S0= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5685:: with SMTP id h5mr16076536qta.119.1598479354794; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 15:02:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 18:02:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: Dan Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001fad7805adcefa3f" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix tools to aid in the production of Internet RFCs? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000001fad7805adcefa3f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 5:25 PM Dan Cross wrote: > So I'm curious: what tools did people use to produce those documents? > What was available at the time? Some of the first were done with a typewriter ;-). That said, a lot of the early ones (1960-thru late 70s) were done using one of the different flavors of the runoff schemes, with the PDP-10 family being pretty popular since many of the Arpa supplied systems were based on PDP6/10s. The output, as you see, was formatted ASCII printer listings. Once Unix hit the scene, particularly with Vaxen, nroff took the lead, but since other than CMU/Stanford/MIT, XGPs (or later Dovers) were rare. Using a plotter (*a.k.a. *vcat and family) troff starts to take off it some places beyond folks with an XGP (like UCB). By the time of the many different JAWS, and the Apple Laserwriter and eventually different HP printers, the nroff/troff family was very much the norm, with some Tex/LaTex at some point. MS-Word does not start to show up until about 15-20 years into the process. As you noted, Bakul has a pointer to the current set of tools; but you asked in the past tense; so I'm assuming you mean, how did the first 1-2K or so get created. --0000000000001fad7805adcefa3f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 5:25= PM Dan Cross <cro= ssd@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm curious: what tools did people use to produce tho= se documents?=C2=A0
What was available at = the time?=C2=A0 Some of the first were done with a typewriter ;-).=C2=A0 = =C2=A0That said, a lot of the early ones (1960-thru late 70s) were done usi= ng one of the different flavors of the runoff schemes, with the PDP-10 fami= ly being pretty popular since many of the Arpa supplied systems were based = on PDP6/10s. The output, as you see, was formatted ASCII printer listings. = Once Unix hit the scene, particularly with Vaxen, nroff took=C2=A0the lead,= but since other than CMU/Stanford/MIT, XGPs (or later Dovers) were rare.= =C2=A0 Using a plotter (a.k.a. vcat and family) troff starts to take= off it=C2=A0some=C2=A0places beyond folks with an XGP (like UCB).=C2=A0 = =C2=A0By the time of the many different JAWS, and the Apple Laserwriter and= eventually different HP printers, the nroff/troff family was very much the= norm, with some Tex/LaTex at some point.=C2=A0 MS-Word does not start to s= how up until about 15-20 years into the process.

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As you noted, Bakul has a pointer to the current set o= f tools; but you asked in the past tense; so I'm assuming you mean, how= did the first 1-2K or so get created.
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