From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F4A21524 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:27:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F70843CB9; Mon, 2 Dec 2024 03:27:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2e]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E918D43CB7 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2024 03:27:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4af16d741dfso719353137.3 for ; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 09:27:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1733074060; x=1733678860; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ie9V1Y3NSOmuZPBrQSMZZA4b3UDF3qiUEB99nlaNh+k=; b=bBXxSaBL4v8jzU6Ab21ykdIY67Y5cKi7B4UkhrOhmNNvSI2TBpWOJMcKWlaOmfZs75 KKQ5uNA2qpPa7xLDDI/TVVzAYxy/dUXZqRxJaJjX7z5ybEXjMeE6w7LYoi+Kj20DUVK6 lCsCXPgEIRdFVQwtbm+W6fqHSVtdGCFd8NtlE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1733074060; x=1733678860; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=ie9V1Y3NSOmuZPBrQSMZZA4b3UDF3qiUEB99nlaNh+k=; b=eVFlm2agTvH/IyK/eIqPkWZfnmEEVNTidv3FpSwdL+WtPE9Q7w/RZEjbrat1C48vrd d0R5kiWij15CML682fI9D0VIl+Sx0cXuIe95NUmqH3qf/BhSWCINPnPFI5XbehRqgPW5 xUf5P323oUQBHylS9YE8gVHTpoIFFqvOZaGkmNjRMa7ENyksNJtLNwtMyDiZsO2YJg5x kSuWhi0nhOVS4m2P1ERb7RBN+HNIAmXcbvIvlXWfT3CZg0PyDlKil66SoGwJAMDVylj/ yOEVu53rdKM+2aH2Hgjg90DKpSAdKlBrMKQDL+ax/iaw2Z/cKVvQ1FpIv2WfYrPhYLu5 aHSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyAOz1K2ygu+pUWWjqdYmBWIUIoAWhZU4HNM1SgKs5+A5FA5Kny 48V040SVOfjXTQh595oLrcsv6TV0MB6f5TjLeWFqUM8Ed/6/jN4+vrB0gK1eyqGi8FqtBmBn+hV Vo7eI+KE5nBQ7NO38Eyk4FGew+uhvWIEXM9mC8QAS+JseenyrIw== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncvcbunoO7KTMk8VpgIxPeuWKfZAZXHhkk6TjtGOwc8zbESj+cvB0/inf5YAyyC MBNq/VHReatv52rVlDa0BZRe/BkeY X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHtYR/tjULnSI9XJexq8FRoKXtu56MUuDF+HKtF9GnUaEkf88v0s2+weYd3g1nOtzZWKWVoVDYHPwLy3OBivdo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:c8f:b0:4af:4eda:9957 with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4af4eda9a72mr19845488137.18.1733074059869; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 09:27:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20241201042131.E7DD318C075@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 12:27:04 -0500 Message-ID: To: Ron Natalie Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b55d50062838bf72" Message-ID-Hash: QGH7ZEQHFOHQUOACKTHTB2W2MRRHYYJP X-Message-ID-Hash: QGH7ZEQHFOHQUOACKTHTB2W2MRRHYYJP X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Typesetter C Compiler and Troff (Re: Re: v6 Unix Documents) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000b55d50062838bf72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I should point out to add to the confusion, originally Mashey's team - the PWB 1.0 folks are !=3D USG (Summit folks) although the later took over the PWB work as I understand it. =E1=90=A7 On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 12:24=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole wrote: > Exactly -- remember Dennis and Brian wrote K&R in 1978 on V6, not PWB and > not V7 (or anything from Summit like TS). When Brian's typesetter > independent troff was released, that updated language was needed. That > was what we referred to as "typesetter C". Brian and Dennis would have p= ut > together that kit. My >>guess<< is that Mashey et al. and the Summit > folks forked Dennis compiler somewhere before this time -- so what got > packaged with the typesetter kit vs what got packed with Mashey and the > team's kit are close but >>slightly<< different. > =E1=90=A7 > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 10:49=E2=80=AFAM Ron Natalie = wrote: > >> Agreed, the typesetter C ran on a virgin V6 system. That was the whole >> point. It came out before most of us got real V7s. >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From "Noel Chiappa" >> To tuhs@tuhs.org >> Cc jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu >> Date 11/30/2024 11:21:31=E2=80=AFPM >> Subject [TUHS] Re: Typesetter C Compiler and Troff (Re: Re: v6 Unix >> Documents) >> >> > > From: >> > >> > > I was able to rebuild both the UNSW and the native PWB compiler >> on PWB >> > > 1.0, but not to backport either to vanilla v6. >> > >> >Any idea what the problem was? I'm curious, because we ran a version of >> the >> >Typesetter compiler on the MIT systems, which ran an enhanced V6. >> > >> > Noel >> > >> > --000000000000b55d50062838bf72 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I should point out to add to the confusion, originally = Mashey's team - the PWB 1.0 folks are !=3D USG (Summit folks)=C2=A0 alt= hough the later took over the PWB work as I understand=C2=A0it.
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On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 12:24=E2=80= =AFPM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> = wrote:
Exactly -- remember Dennis and Brian wrote K&R in 1978 on V= 6, not PWB and not V7 (or anything from Summit like TS).=C2=A0 When Brian&#= 39;s typesetter independent troff was released, that updated language was n= eeded.=C2=A0 =C2=A0That was what we referred to as "typesetter C"= .=C2=A0 Brian and Dennis would have put together that kit.=C2=A0 =C2=A0My &= gt;>guess<< is that Mashey et al. and the Summit folks forked Denn= is compiler somewhere before this time -- so what got packaged with the typ= esetter kit vs what got packed with Mashey and the team's kit are close= but >>slightly<< different.
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On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 10:49=E2=80=AFAM Ron Natalie <ron@ronnatalie.com> wrote:
Agreed, the typese= tter C ran on a virgin V6 system.=C2=A0 =C2=A0That was the whole
point.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It came out before most of us got real V7s.



------ Original Message ------
>From "Noel Chiappa" <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
To tuhs@tuhs.org
Cc jnc@mercury= .lcs.mit.edu
Date 11/30/2024 11:21:31=E2=80=AFPM
Subject [TUHS] Re: Typesetter C Compiler and Troff (Re: Re: v6 Unix
Documents)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From:
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I was able to rebuild both the UNSW and the na= tive PWB compiler on PWB
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1.0, but not to backport either to vanilla v6.=
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>Any idea what the problem was? I'm curious, because we ran a versio= n of the
>Typesetter compiler on the MIT systems, which ran an enhanced V6.
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Noel
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