From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 36a7e3c2 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 89E8B9BDA5; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:11:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F2294795; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:11:20 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="SwPdUe6T"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 429829478F; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:11:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f44.google.com (mail-wr1-f44.google.com [209.85.221.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5EA694795 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:11:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f44.google.com with SMTP id q14so38575185wrm.9 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:11:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=q12YjDYdR37XNtlhdiaKNyiNHBnw9HgwUdvM9K8s9fQ=; b=SwPdUe6TBl699bl6ZNpCtgzUe2tnkH78zqqfWKHhVx9V/q9JceibHQICz6Y4EkTeNr FhD52fb661yGMowRdclHEaGtJsNwJWPDE+r38+sJ0C5fuObCb5eEWmngDNSyV7iOzkk/ XfXEteHjKT06hgzDLF2M76iaRTx5kUmEJie3A= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=q12YjDYdR37XNtlhdiaKNyiNHBnw9HgwUdvM9K8s9fQ=; b=fzyxyfmq95DmeyZJxhZJcAUgXkXa1KVEd1icfQcquZ7HJdxcUXLjcmSNAR1l8NkhH5 Y6x0+VD1RaRD52byKUVuoJ4WaTLxQAJbKThN8jOsNWEOXT4WPMqUrllSStwyGNvOzDn/ xxRiW0+zHc/OEqka5INDQjo0UEZ3C4JC65mUUmIs9dFmcDCT5gE52gMwdwNk1ZN6MV4X CNib1o6M2qWAYKSyGlPKw2X6KN7lPngk5hnuq0KxTOMNaZi0jI3wx0kKTup2+y5QOBFr J06SJQyB5O3gV1A/qT7tob4x4zC/ivOPLUYY7g9i7vexROZAMykOrAWZUdyQKqzD7+nI A48w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVt9nQay3DBGs89lWijqFSweamOn8ANgTMM56pJCQneB1nTDz1i PDO5j6w3s9UsxfEoZcGqR3aNnf7EZeIsWku7P3MM/g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw/sDaU39V4Hbumgiyq5mOqeTCnwkG2FRmP/L8aeNgQ8D7L+t8R+r3hWbfw4vX+FSIlwG7S6439zDCV0umLNYw= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5384:: with SMTP id d4mr6506844wrv.255.1568635875151; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:11:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201909132024.x8DKObEP013266@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <463d5cc4-9bef-9ac3-a680-a5161d664dc1@aueb.gr> <20190913221345.GA16129@minnie.tuhs.org> <20190914020240.GO2046@mcvoy.com> <20190914024433.GA19193@minnie.tuhs.org> <2e84c4d0-5239-b223-856d-00aacf8d3028@andrewnesbit.org> <201909150654.x8F6sChG021185@freefriends.org> <201909160552.x8G5qBYK025195@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <201909160552.x8G5qBYK025195@freefriends.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 08:10:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: Aharon Robbins Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001ef5410592aa804f" Subject: Re: [TUHS] earliest Unix roff X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000001ef5410592aa804f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 1:52 AM wrote: > I use the standalone Info reader (named info) if I want to look at the > Info output. > Fair enough, but be careful, while I admit I have not looked in a while, info(gnu) relies on emacs keybindings and a number of very emacs'ish things. Every time I have tried to deal with it, I have unprogram my fingers and reset them to emacs. If it would have used more(1) [or even less(1)] then I would not be as annoyed. Unix had fine tools [man(1), more(1), et al] and rms and friends felt the need to replace them with ITS-like programs. --0000000000001ef5410592aa804f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 1:52= AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrot= e:
I use the sta= ndalone Info reader (named info) if I want to look at the
Info output.=C2=A0
Fair enough, but be careful, wh= ile I admit I have not looked in a while, info(gnu) relies on emacs keybind= ings and a number of very emacs'ish=C2=A0things.
E= very time I have tried to deal with it, I have unprogram my fingers and res= et them to emacs.

If it woul= d have used more(1) [or even less(1)] then I would not be as annoyed.
Unix had fine tools [man(1), more(1), et al] and rms and fr= iends felt the need to replace them with ITS-like=C2=A0program= s.
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