From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id fd75bcee for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 14:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D51DCA21FD; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 00:58:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338B5A1FB3; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 00:57:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0E6F5A1FB0; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 00:20:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f41.google.com (mail-wm1-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C720CA1FB3 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 00:20:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f41.google.com with SMTP id l2-v6so2625175wmh.3 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:20:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vChyim1Un71OU2/fMI3vup6j9BDX3yQFEnp5PCy4BQc=; b=ggYPa3g756cmGfmC+ktu7ibSG4KL4KOW3JtAWO0T2PL5CKl4feCFdIv7xPfkJsfoCe r0TdtVq2Ldh2HwWqvzkPErxg3UpMc8CedD7qhjOfuLzuEZSy2hEi1M3TRw2YjKoVV9wi 2lP9JNurVbCkb2z6pkdmr5S4aviTWsIrth3Zk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vChyim1Un71OU2/fMI3vup6j9BDX3yQFEnp5PCy4BQc=; b=oe5u3jL7L7D9M2F9MGtvztTPCTFmYP4F31bIfs8FUHNMIl+1Lsdt7ldJ7FTWA73G7U zaFotkYqRVktamYDtGCuOYdMuTSSArTMVcBibrkKu/i4ySQ71gSu/s6iCwBW4XaQjhO+ 9rY4fietgsV0Ud7zR/+WqmgyqVeNcXRfTRycaJDkB4G10b7UkFo6z0yeKZ2iYvo65HkV huKGsarrBMurYHoLmvbw8pDuJkP/W1oE6CEMmloDFVzViE3hatuFhCrBx+0s1Hhd1RDl WH5GKzyelFNGj/Ohm1gYKZh7huptGp5thscs2nHyrbOfqKvuplRyRAuZWSuVMacNT3Hp /s8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gKK6O+R+7txqVSYlstNgAx2BaZR7qZ2ZAhX4sFpi/2b2NM8l+1v VJa1FbHCqYZxRxyOEuyUOjfUUcDt6o4BD26Rpu6aD/B8A6o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5evO8lrKC3N0tkDeA+Dt2Xl1AY/vRiDnfEzNZCpIccI/Y0Oi7Q634aAKET8xNCexCFeKbrHMNNCJcYIRVABkFU= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:b082:: with SMTP id z124-v6mr13175007wme.129.1540822809975; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:20:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181029021023.GA27974@eureka.lemis.com> <20181029071652.zzauekw6ikpqd4ur@h-174-65.A328.priv.bahnhof.se> In-Reply-To: <20181029071652.zzauekw6ikpqd4ur@h-174-65.A328.priv.bahnhof.se> From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:19:43 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Kj=C3=B6rling?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000040376c05795ec4ce" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First ARPAnet transmission X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000040376c05795ec4ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:01 AM Michael Kj=C3=B6rling wrote: > > > So 1969-10-30 05:30 UTC? > I >>think<< it is more likely 06:30 UTC, as IIRC Daylight Saving Time finished mid-month so I think it would have been UTC+8:00 [not +7:00 which it would be now]. That said, Nixon [...shutter...] was in office and he put the US went on DST in the winter at some point due to the oil crisis (but I thought that was a year or so later). I remember it all happening at the time - but I can do not put precise dates on any of it. If you want to be be 100% accurate and use UTC, then you would need to check a precise calendar that had all those details to see how the US had its clocks set on October 30, 1969. The good news was the transmission stayed with the same time zone, which as I said was Pacific (UCLA is in Los Angeles area and SRI in the Bay Area - but both are California - which follows US, DST rules). The question is what were the rules that were in effect that night. Clem --00000000000040376c05795ec4ce Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:01 AM Michael Kj=C3=B6rling <michael@kjorling.se> wrote:


So 1969-10-30 05:30 UTC?
I >>think<< i= t is more likely 06:30 UTC, as IIRC Daylight Saving Time finished mid-month= so I think it would have been UTC+8:00 [not=C2=A0+7:00=C2=A0which it would= be now].=C2=A0 =C2=A0That said, Nixon [...shutter...] was in office and he= put the US went on DST in the winter at some point due to the oil crisis (= but I thought that was a year or so later).=C2=A0 I remember it all happeni= ng at the time - but I can do not put precise dates on any of it.

If you want to be be 100% accurate an= d use UTC, then you would need to check a precise calendar that had all tho= se details to see how the US had its clocks set on October 30, 1969.=C2=A0= =C2=A0The goo= d news was the transmission stayed with the same time zone, which as I said= was Pacific (UCLA is in Los Angeles area and SRI in the Bay Area - but bot= h are California - which follows=C2=A0US, DST rules).=C2=A0 Th= e question is what were the rules that were in effect that night.

Clem
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