From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29992 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2021 01:26:23 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Jan 2021 01:26:23 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D8C3A9B7AE; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:26:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DDB9B720; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:25:49 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="dhjgugaK"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E1D579B720; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:25:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f177.google.com (mail-qk1-f177.google.com [209.85.222.177]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AAAE9B715 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:25:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f177.google.com with SMTP id l27so3847946qki.9 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:25:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=P3RDAdMpCkpNMK91tfnhetw5e3E25M1TpSLqCmMrFkw=; b=dhjgugaKbHnad4rVTdBFhld/Ien/s5AdaV2SH3w803Y+NEX5R8SP0JgDZC2KfOEv83 LQ2mWZb4d878vsBfXb1WaETAiukgqT9YYrrc11rRVLHUgANxQXnSkpDODso2tve5lMES 96+kU4R4wRgPUS1eSbHWmkFZyjJ/KbSMa/gmY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=P3RDAdMpCkpNMK91tfnhetw5e3E25M1TpSLqCmMrFkw=; b=oDbH0Yn2pJ2Aw/ZBYGO9F8WR+ewNlK1LTY8HnRDw9sNGXMePQJFv9hUyjlLb6Dcr48 Qn/oHXnm6tWZkmyab9mgBZubyBiLnkmKULWbSx+oPzKc9c4Q85Qg6or1P9gqhNoBJbwx tSk4BuVMv9oLh+sPCD/l0Umi7yzn99AKyjfsYQidBl69BLcPUycRvAk8g6qq/0lsHf6a GtVwDI3+lwdxWFB1+QwMd36zP3Disgr12PgDUs1WGKhAtVDqo7aBKmWkswdrNHYrpQCf WCsXK4QgakXzRxO2/qhE8OpY8wuA5fTBqBPs6CO3U2nkixpBHxPAK4G+KPpexmmgBoc/ NfFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532e6jqP7nJxAjYiGr0B9uK9MH3pxatohJRA+ID+q/NPtUZX6vbh okfuRe0qtibpmd898T3gjZnHUeK1AE2WDOUiV0t/+Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwhvvjJelu9pckGAr7yTBD91vz4F8ANKEZLaj9novqmeej6UFEhfcRichAEA90Xuh9OyBbw6I6Zx8hQ1L/lZY0= X-Received: by 2002:ae9:d881:: with SMTP id u123mr13478810qkf.133.1611797144774; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:25:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202007261531.06QFVqZb027062@freefriends.org> <202007261535.06QFZvLg027250@freefriends.org> <202007261711.06QHB07i032409@freefriends.org> <17854.1611793153@hop.toad.com> In-Reply-To: <17854.1611793153@hop.toad.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 20:25:33 -0500 Message-ID: To: John Gilmore Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000043c27005b9ebc48e" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Troff to ps X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000043c27005b9ebc48e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Actually It was very cheap. $5 a copy if I remember correctly Masscomp and Stellar just ate the cost. The adobe transcript license was also nominal. In both cases we realized it was cheaper than trying to keep two separate streams and figure out which systems we shipped it too. On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 7:26 PM John Gilmore wrote: > Greg A. Woods wrote: > > As I recall even some of the bigger vendors such as Sun and IBM didn't > > offer ditroff in their base OS, but they did offer old troff. Those > > were the days of insane AT&T licensing and all the games competitors > > played around it. > > As I recall, AT&T wanted about the same amount of money for ditroff as > for the entire UNIX release. So, of course no UNIX vendor was going to > double the royalty they paid to AT&T for every customer, for a small > improvement in a utility that most customers didn't even use (troff). > > John > > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --00000000000043c27005b9ebc48e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually =C2=A0It was very cheap. $5 a copy if I remember= correctly =C2=A0 Masscomp and Stellar just ate the cost.=C2=A0 The adobe t= ranscript license was also nominal.=C2=A0 In both cases we realized it was = cheaper than trying to keep two separate streams and figure out which syste= ms we shipped it too. =C2=A0

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 7:26 PM John Gilmo= re <gnu@toad.com> wrote:
Greg A. Woods <woods@robohack.ca> wrote:
> As I recall even some of the bigger vendors such as Sun and IBM didn&#= 39;t
> offer ditroff in their base OS, but they did offer old troff.=C2=A0 Th= ose
> were the days of insane AT&T licensing and all the games competito= rs
> played around it.

As I recall, AT&T wanted about the same amount of money for ditroff as<= br> for the entire UNIX release.=C2=A0 So, of course no UNIX vendor was going t= o
double the royalty they paid to AT&T for every customer, for a small improvement in a utility that most customers didn't even use (troff).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 John

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