From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21676 invoked from network); 26 May 2022 20:54:01 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 May 2022 20:54:01 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EAC421C2; Fri, 27 May 2022 06:53:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-xf36.google.com (mail-qv1-xf36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f36]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B955A40CB1 for ; Fri, 27 May 2022 06:53:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-xf36.google.com with SMTP id cv1so1998334qvb.5 for ; Thu, 26 May 2022 13:53:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7IoSkq8SxXbRd3Qk2Q/Awna2ntvJVQfDG0ai1LXyOlw=; b=SMSC7zeucLNe9590bWAKGlnsmcbxfPOrgRrwCCiYCTDQ39pA4wOkMdvEtvIFC0MAwW m5fcA6ON+YKY+55gnPzHKW4vh9Cvy2YTzSWTgiGNLnGISUrsSmxgNGuQz00dMAI/0G0v ZzOlqDJCSRSIm/Rdhl2fmOlQu8IVFvNBqKFIM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7IoSkq8SxXbRd3Qk2Q/Awna2ntvJVQfDG0ai1LXyOlw=; b=ABWRisCCqnCldhI7K2B2xs5qaWU0QWrG7HMGOc+Ehhzrsk2i6rcsmB6VO//OkkOx8i edC/R9p00K+J4ekcF/QvRPXmN6q0nvLskSmul8Q2UdwIRrLhJbLxEkO2dCfXBGhN9v2p U5Soa2xlcNr/q9Pt/h6gdkOqQWKXBp63TShmycEjvl9kMqQxU2C+v3AxfNztCV9wSaxp I8LWYq/ZnHG+qi5LSt25pjTfZ3rcdGj6ybux1D8ILApyzjDsuJnN/iIXd3Da4eo95bbO ILlcq3pnJlKiGgyVjzTQtPLAqIHwDl3OBTicUB9QscVk6ypFk1dGUQRpXCKTJogiPCUo rWhA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530LeOVB7xH1+G66D0Jbo64Y+klP8obBWTfQgkN6dpbHxHvG9Jtb 7tkOI8HLXGH1FPesdvF6DZnvvO3/tW5nErPqE2Yzhm8hPpxn3A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyNvFsUr4yWDGIy5HAWUyulgywUZTaDvMMlcpCRqzRXMKSl6j0WEX8F2ByMc1RZa63bhSq8exfHLqdqgzJ47AU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2387:b0:462:1026:b5bb with SMTP id fw7-20020a056214238700b004621026b5bbmr27155130qvb.38.1653598426465; Thu, 26 May 2022 13:53:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 16:53:21 -0400 Message-ID: To: Douglas McIlroy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cf9c2d05dff0623d" Message-ID-Hash: BKGWH3SIKKOMJCIDZNMF4WONFTN5NGGG X-Message-ID-Hash: BKGWH3SIKKOMJCIDZNMF4WONFTN5NGGG X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: ACM opens up much of its archives List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000cf9c2d05dff0623d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Awe are a little drifting from core UNIX but FWIW: With the noise made about the ACM DL is more freely available and the 'advertisement' they sent saying the earliest UNIX paper was now there for anyone to examine (from the 1973 SOSP), I just tried to download both without signing in and with -- I got the same result. You get the abstract - not the paper which was a tad disappointing. FWIW: from the SOSP was Jerry Popek's famous paper on requirements for VM -- same result. I understand the problem, (USENIX also has the same one) but it seems like if they are going to scan things, scan all of it, not just the abstract. =E1=90=A7 On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 4:40 PM Douglas McIlroy < douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote: > >> If you=E2=80=99re a *current* member of these societies then you shoul= d have > good access to journal content. > > >I believe this is true for ACM, but for IEEE not so much. You have to pa= y > for a digital library membership _in addition to_ your standard membershi= p > > ACM is the same. At $99/year membership is a bargain by ordinary > professional society standards. But they charge an additional $99 for > access to 21st-century Digital Library.content. > > Doug > --000000000000cf9c2d05dff0623d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Awe are a little drifting from core UNIX but FWIW:=C2= =A0 With the noise made about the ACM DL is more=C2=A0freely available and = the 'advertisement' they sent saying the earliest UNIX paper was no= w there for anyone to examine (from the 1973 SOSP), I just tried to downloa= d both without=C2=A0signing in and with -- I got the same result.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0You get the abstract - not the paper which was a tad disappointing.=C2= =A0 FWIW: from the SOSP was Jerry Popek's=C2=A0famous=C2=A0paper on req= uirements for VM -- same result.

I understand the prob= lem, (USENIX also has the same one)=C2=A0but it seems like if they are goin= g to scan things, scan all of it, not just the abstract.
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On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 4:40 PM Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>= ;> If you=E2=80=99re a *current* member of these societies then you shou= ld have good access to journal content.

>I believe this is true for ACM, but for IEEE not so much. You have to p= ay for a digital library membership _in addition to_ your standard membersh= ip

ACM is the same.=C2=A0 At $99/year membership is a bargain by ordinary
professional society standards. But they charge an additional $99 for
access to 21st-century Digital Library.content.

Doug
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