From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C340E2340E for ; Sat, 25 May 2024 14:17:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334BD43ACE; Sat, 25 May 2024 22:17:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-xa2d.google.com (mail-vk1-xa2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2d]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E96A43AC6 for ; Sat, 25 May 2024 22:16:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-xa2d.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4e4efcc3d8fso689777e0c.0 for ; Sat, 25 May 2024 05:16:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1716639414; x=1717244214; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Qq6TMJWME3Wr+nnI7ipJHEMAhMKxQku1+xwCIMIHHNY=; b=sADRf0GMAFuLbNhNmqR8/0D6KK2BPwiEt7En662XGrvVWmMYuoZxFpf8j868YEG7pM hGWBJMMM+lCny+X5DiIVfDVjwhs0TUZN4EgKJqHDwdYem2Lo02tbao36hH7KhPAM+scM nLVCXR7m5D73z+leldWyUI2iG0qMnid4PkOQI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1716639414; x=1717244214; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Qq6TMJWME3Wr+nnI7ipJHEMAhMKxQku1+xwCIMIHHNY=; b=SPRU1QdB+Hm0QNC/Y8d1prwh72OVvGGVBgxWR8whGvwGKbf1Cn5z3bfUs94aEp0Jkv Itf0Jb1F0du6lzBKeTLpe5SERU9PmQFEtffq1crsX7EU4pinRjOJK7Z2LqjLuLnJk2jf 2s/P8IdkG0Pa1fthNOlCgvnKSPFr3eFxOIlTeSPqhZtomGL006gzMh35+pWXGrRMstcd eDTMX2cOwRxrYaXnUxrpUakmHWzZggQJ09rWzcVjSlmHp9bnjVhJ61378jBeD4eBLhpz 2pAHFveK1RPF24jgT2W168IQUNBu2B7Idb5nYDjCkanFgSx7A/BRVnsrXmbEWi+tSXn6 T+qQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUHlRRJ0abr/CIriyN8vM/rNuM50WJevK0pG3QszzNV7vvRVuFKvzrUwyrLI33MR0HofeXvYqulO6qcSmvz X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyvpMjYdds9NgKddrubBkgSVE3c1ausUb4PcqhdZ3tCD/JIBISu ZP/TgInticnBui21c5SiLoIaIeBeLVMAPq2LjamUOBmfCFX+psw6o3sasguEx246ML5u0prpcyv mtvivR2lgWEXxwwQwMZHyah5e+WwEmapBbUlp X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH3AiIx1SBNKptL54GGr9+2vEGAz2VK5KnOp4T3sAKVUiOw9GCDRZSN/m3xdriSsOYPHxnGnrYCrEG78U0u974= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:2205:b0:4de:bdbf:6351 with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4e4f028ade6mr5297885e0c.7.1716639414090; Sat, 25 May 2024 05:16:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240525000348.hq5zvwm6x4evl44h@illithid> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 08:16:42 -0400 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Gray Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007c1b250619464251" Message-ID-Hash: O22SX4BJ5W7Y6VGF7DKINJ4UPKAOYL5C X-Message-ID-Hash: O22SX4BJ5W7Y6VGF7DKINJ4UPKAOYL5C X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Was curses ported to Seventh Edition Unix? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000007c1b250619464251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh how I hate history rewrites. Job control was developed by Kulp on V7 in Europe and MIT. Joy saw it and added it what would become 4BSD. The others were all developed on V7 (PDP11)at UCB. They were not back ported either. The vax work inherited them from V7. It is true, The public tended to see these as 4BSD features as that was the vehicle that got larger distribution. Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 6:49=E2=80=AFAM Jonathan Gray wrote= : > On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 07:03:48PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I'm finding it difficult to find any direct sources on the question in > > the subject line. > > > > Does anyone here have any source material they can point me to > > documenting the existence of a port of BSD curses to Unix Version 7? > > "In particular, the C shell, curses, termcap, vi and job control were > ported back to Version 7 (and later System III) so that it was not > unusual to find these features on otherwise pure Bell releases." > from Documentation/Books/Life_with_Unix_v2.pdf > > in some v7ish distributions: unisoft, xenix, nu machine, venix? > > https://bitsavers.org/pdf/codata/Unisoft_UNIX_Vol_1_Aug82.pdf pg 437 > > https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_codataUnis_28082791/page/n435/mode/= 2up > > > https://bitsavers.org/pdf/forwardTechnology/xenix/Xenix_System_Volume_2_S= oftware_Development_1982.pdf > pg 580 > > https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_forwardTecstemVolume2SoftwareDevelo= pment1982_27714599/page/n579/mode/2up > > https://bitsavers.org/pdf/lmi/LMI_Docs/UNIX_1.pdf pg 412 > > https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_lmiLMIDocs_20873181/page/n411/mode/= 2up > --0000000000007c1b250619464251 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh how I hate history rewrites.=C2=A0 Job control was dev= eloped by Kulp on V7 in Europe and MIT.=C2=A0 Joy saw it and added it what = would become 4BSD. =C2=A0

The others were all developed on V7 (PDP11)at UCB.=C2=A0 They were not ba= ck ported either. The vax work inherited them from V7.=C2=A0

It is true, The public tended to see = these as 4BSD features as that was the vehicle that got larger distribution= . =C2=A0

Sent from = a handheld expect more typos than usual


On S= at, May 25, 2024 at 6:49=E2=80=AFAM Jonathan Gray <jsg@jsg.id.au> wrote:
On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 07:03:48PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:<= br> > Hi folks,
>
> I'm finding it difficult to find any direct sources on the questio= n in
> the subject line.
>
> Does anyone here have any source material they can point me to
> documenting the existence of a port of BSD curses to Unix Version 7?
"In particular, the C shell, curses, termcap, vi and job control were<= br> ported back to Version 7 (and later System III) so that it was not
unusual to find these features on otherwise pure Bell releases."
from Documentation/Books/Life_with_Unix_v2.pdf

in some v7ish distributions: unisoft, xenix, nu machine, venix?

https://bitsavers.org/pdf/codata/Unisof= t_UNIX_Vol_1_Aug82.pdf pg 437
https://archive.org/deta= ils/bitsavers_codataUnis_28082791/page/n435/mode/2up

https://bitsavers.org/pdf/forwardTechnology/xenix/Xenix_System_Volume_2_So= ftware_Development_1982.pdf pg 580
https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_forwardTecstemVolume2Soft= wareDevelopment1982_27714599/page/n579/mode/2up

https://bitsavers.org/pdf/lmi/LMI_Docs/UNIX_1.pdf pg 412
https://archive.org/deta= ils/bitsavers_lmiLMIDocs_20873181/page/n411/mode/2up
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