From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24987 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2020 15:27:54 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Jun 2020 15:27:54 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DC4BE9C990; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 01:27:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DA893D56; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 01:27:16 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="TmNQPPTL"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 20EE993D56; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 01:27:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f169.google.com (mail-qt1-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BD0B93D52 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 01:27:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f169.google.com with SMTP id j32so12717307qte.10 for ; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 08:27:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=0lvOc8diMhFna/b/t8B6/fYHpW+C8cH2TyZxRIhNEXI=; b=TmNQPPTLGh2ckN0eB9hRycJKGdCYSk9nBeYNa16CkMcmoRNi5UibLldNvaCFtGzI/Q so85R8M43+IRDruEPVtvPkHciPMcTaBRbTnpgKC1jyMdiuqX9CB0+BNJ8f6IUd3ivpHx aobnnVytPNyqOJ5QZHDn9kWj+SESoLDv1tVB8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0lvOc8diMhFna/b/t8B6/fYHpW+C8cH2TyZxRIhNEXI=; b=R0waNVAkU8Se+9uIX6wASrcE4lnZBxNcMf/fQxMZWXb6QcAmv1RLjSWu2kShO/YYAe coG1FRfO9OeKmdsyQiAmhTPUELcb/1rGvHwtaUrxl1JrEQ/qKwfB+wpFeHkAcR+NmGIg ctcogAdHJ1efJ8wOkNojSSVmNDeVu7i0Z2xjdFVAerR0rnYlvprzJAfMEW3JI8W7J8aN JZ0BEx7zhzRgvxkFUuS5T0sgjdCWe8AD8hUXoNTCtpfbfw7vNYtqw+Omn4Bn7O+bjmoQ EpaCSKbYVFdW1s2B82t8+pEPAE7ld4Zyvh04xTPP7bSKRG5Bh1NWcyT7FoInJV6Pz9KK 78/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531UnWou5citetwPzn7ik3VmT+/UPZ2LbsfvhcJlye05C7SXhGfb TQOmmeKePg71E2pmgN1tnBD/KKo0I7cnjgVLZsSDew== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxS+ypWph55PshqIcAhgz79G1XLWc3wyYMi9GElxMr4xwA4BiqO+wbxkAIlqtTYjqHNFWHDUjzY92qdmAy+DfU= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7613:: with SMTP id t19mr19418193qtq.33.1591543632110; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 08:27:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8a2e9b1b-8890-a783-5b53-c8480c070f2e@telegraphics.com.au> <8b8d2ff3ed704c5631997387bf78e9b7@firemail.de> <202006070557.0575vkwU011918@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 11:26:45 -0400 Message-ID: To: Andy Kosela Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d63a9e05a78020b0" Subject: Re: [TUHS] History of popularity of C X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000d63a9e05a78020b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:23 AM Andy Kosela wrote: > Seriously, is anyone still doing any real development in C besides > kernel programming and embedded world?? Maybe I was living under a > rock, but I always had an impression that the industry moved to C++ in > the late 90s and stayed with it ever since. > Hardly, in my 45+ years, I have seen way more C projects than C++. The C projects tended to last longer, have a more profound impact and many are still being developed. I've been at Intel for the last qtr of my career and without a doubt, C is the #1 language in use internally, with C++ probably #2. Most of our work is actually in user space, although obviously we do a great deal of low-level work. The Intel compilers are a mix of both languages. That said, as we move to more LLVM work (we actually have the largest number of paid LLVM developers ). For your amusement check out: https://www.archer.ac.uk/status/codes/ Archer is a large HPC site in the UK. Many supercomputer centers off similar stats, but I often point to Archer because it easy to get an understanding of what programming languages are used for codes that are actually used in day-to-day production. That said, I personally am the most excited about Go theses day, but I'm also thinking Rust looks pretty interesting, but my experience with both compared to C is extremely nominal. Neither language is used for anything in production in our world at this point. Clem --000000000000d63a9e05a78020b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:23 = AM Andy Kosela <akosela@andyko= sela.com> wrote:
Seriously, is anyone still doing any real development in C besides<= br> kernel programming and embedded world??=C2=A0 Maybe I was living under a rock, but I always had an impression that the industry moved to C++ in
the late 90s and stayed with it ever since.
Hardly= ,=C2=A0 in my 45+ years, I have seen way more C projects than C++.=C2=A0 Th= e C projects tended to last longer, have a more profound impact and many ar= e still being developed.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I've been at Intel for = the last qtr of my career=C2=A0and without a doubt, C is the #= 1 language in use internally, with C++ probably #2.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Most of our= work is actually in user space, although obviously we do a great deal of l= ow-level work.=C2=A0 The Intel compilers are a mix of both languages.=C2=A0= That said, as we move to more LLVM work (we actually have the largest numb= er of paid LLVM developers ).=C2=A0=C2=A0

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For your amusement=C2=A0check out:=C2=A0=C2=A0https://www.archer.ac.uk/status= /codes/
Archer is a large HPC site in the UK.=C2=A0 Many s= upercomputer centers off similar stats, but I often point to Archer because= it easy to get an understanding of what programming languages are used for= codes that are actually used in day-to-day production.

<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif= ">That said, I personally am the most excited about Go theses day, but I= 9;m also thinking Rust looks pretty interesting, but my experience with bot= h compared to C is extremely nominal.=C2=A0 Neither language is used for an= ything in production in our world at this point.

Clem<= /div>
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