From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f9e2603d for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 19:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C9B359C142; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 05:02:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062BB9C0FD; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 05:01:18 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="VWkQohFy"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 938719BFE6; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 05:01:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f172.google.com (mail-qt1-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FC929C0FD for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 05:01:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f172.google.com with SMTP id d5so652568qto.0 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 11:01:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hKlGSQYbtxxQUqTTTuu/rfi2t6vN2bTJPsLlA8o8aDg=; b=VWkQohFyjtPgE5BpF6K9624unz4bFSm0oB2rzfYcLnh4IH81e35X0lZuTXz0Pk/NrI 5aJ5T+kX2vg9KJVUUY2lV1yP2yHq2epaeSksiMi8D2wDUWRLYrCRRx7+9tvqqn31NEAw bzSP9skvYERbTWo8i8OKuKSQYDgqvifTfqdAw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hKlGSQYbtxxQUqTTTuu/rfi2t6vN2bTJPsLlA8o8aDg=; b=aFXkgMx2a54Fnjb3GA8ZIWrpywloukP2Pc5bsPfCIJU0MHwoqGpWMy+nskBfIn+bSP 09uNCGxQGNursxKLFN+bKojfoOLBHzyPD1oj/J3JwZCSRIxACn3iQcFCgO1/1CcCBe7L ftQjaaAguaLQppebP61e7hGjWHW3ny5D2sb26jxue5qUSvVhnrveUxbVbLvwHyr6bFIH j7A8GSAwyc+3yJcew6HT0mv45bnTpbn9fUvJX8VSlxhwvPpDvOHb8GAwXly5JNowSK5P InsMcPkNY2iX4lDoCk21w6aX1LGYD9Pr2+k9NTOw4fDDJYM/yEWFFQ5NLUbhZK8Q6/g3 rtIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVFjs2SUsdU6nw6qIaxVfkcDRL5Gt/5fYnepci6HH4/XFEsFRFf LREDCv1+rV9k9QFGI/8V556jB1kzcP8wGWvqR8waBcmaH3Akmg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyuNhKxeTugVUOJJwUIsqrk9cFICu13tIgvNmc7A/x1p1Ve7S2rjrHqWFKBp9tDnPYQUawHBfoCJzOPl8WF42w= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:1c23:: with SMTP id a32mr771303qtk.119.1579546871509; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 11:01:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200117195908.GF15253@ancienthardware.org> <20200118035051.GC481935@mit.edu> <20200118041913.GB67053@eureka.lemis.com> <20200119024900.GA15860@mit.edu> <20200119031225.GI67053@eureka.lemis.com> <20200119035808.GK67053@eureka.lemis.com> <20200119132551.GC15860@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 14:00:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002ec8ec059c96ea2c" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Early Linux and BSD (was: On the origins of Linux - "an academic question") X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000002ec8ec059c96ea2c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:49 PM Warner Losh wrote: > Thanks Clem. > Most welcome > > One minor clarification. Jordan and the patchkit work did predate NetBSD. > However, the NetBSD project formed a little before the FreeBSD project that > grew out of the patchkit days. Jordan didn't get that moving until NetBSD > made rumblings... > Right - if I was not clear, on that ordering, mei culpa. > it was still a time that you heard a lot of what was going on by word of > mouth, not so much by postings and email... > Exactly. > > The OpenBSD split was years later... and a complicated mix of personality > conflicts and technical differences. > A real shame IMO, but giving the personalities, I'm not sure it was not predestined, > But in many ways it was a smaller split since for a long time they were > almost 100% compatible at the driver level > Very true, I run OpenBSD on my router/main server - I just want a minimum system, that I feel it safe. I have NetBSD on a couple of boxes cause it runs and FreeBSD or Linux on others. And MacOS on my desktop. I'm sort of, whatever gets the job done and I don't have to think too much about it, but it's probably why the little incompatibilities drive me nuts. --0000000000002ec8ec059c96ea2c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On M= on, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:49 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
Thanks= =C2=A0Clem.
Most = welcome=C2=A0

One minor clarification= .=C2=A0 Jordan and the patchkit work did predate NetBSD. However, the NetBS= D project formed a little before the FreeBSD project that grew out of the p= atchkit days. Jordan didn't get that moving until NetBSD made rumblings= ...
Right - if = I was not clear, on that ordering, mei culpa.
=C2=A0
it was still a time that you heard = a lot of what was going on by word=C2=A0of mouth, not so much by postings a= nd email...
Exactly.
=C2=A0

=
The OpenBSD split wa= s years later... and a complicated mix of personality conflicts and technic= al differences.
A real shame IMO, but giving the personalities, I'm not sure it was= not predestined,

=C2=A0
But in many ways it was a smaller split since for a long= time they were almost 100% compatible at the driver level
=
Very true, I run OpenBS= D on my router/main server - I just want a minimum system, that I feel it s= afe.
I have NetBSD on a= couple of boxes cause it runs and FreeBSD or Linux on others.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 And MacOS on my desktop.

I'm sort of, whatever gets the=C2=A0job done and I don't h= ave to think too much about it, but it's probably why the = little incompatibilities=C2=A0drive me nuts.
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