From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10084 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2023 00:44:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Aug 2023 00:44:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DAF42231; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:44:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oo1-xc2d.google.com (mail-oo1-xc2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2d]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE2D342229 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:44:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oo1-xc2d.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-56c7f47ec42so1092028eaf.2 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:44:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1691109874; x=1691714674; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=hlENecRbMWmb72fbTSyArL3G+eMunYZhn92vDRfHzM8=; b=Z8pprU6XVIjMjrVcw2KnTj6EnODNDFVzzAFCqEOvcAExGthsirgI/JlfJjXqaPnWWw kdK5U5cLRTMH62DCl3OpKs/uPSk6r4D1vXb6M3unoTdQf14quHgSTBEFfa0UkoWMrLb9 GIP0CZkS9X5Dn/jLg+/GNT4UFgjlEsewAwCxY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691109874; x=1691714674; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=hlENecRbMWmb72fbTSyArL3G+eMunYZhn92vDRfHzM8=; b=OHL9J3xYoGyQL5GSVprU+YHzwSd3q4CtMLB1G1RBHLDuoGTmym8UU/2zDEuQJJPfnn EMkmEqCSR7Roh4kMUT6ErXmnJ59nE71SfDtMeuy+Q016H4E1ZFMOmR7mWQDQPjvKkMtI v+LxVZAtZHKAKMnO88rpgPNdoYG5A1Y83A+yrgpwXa7Mjun4anjURQzhft7pqkw29ifl vmkGPSPFiTZKdba4cGV2JGO07Kla61+6PAelHuviDGvf3AqkGx/HsbQ5o0VCfLGpENXZ bDJDGAUeYY88/BQ1rSqIGuUVAOwU8e2bMM2+N/6Oz8a8U7L7g+bZAKzyy63qRi8Rm80B 8rkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzkSIE41h683+iog5SIzZbtp9M6VJniMq4znfKc074MRCZedgEm 0X5kHXAUxiqV48f4vTSpIARY55qGFjz6QnauhMZuJw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEHUKR6c2Bg+ixSF0rJw+jiQBn1lCtmhFXJNUJmBHDFB9gXKHsd415ryFR7XD9bsNFJ8hxblc/BDm61jQj/LAI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6358:c19:b0:139:e3a4:7095 with SMTP id f25-20020a0563580c1900b00139e3a47095mr357090rwj.7.1691109873831; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:44:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 20:44:22 -0400 Message-ID: To: Will Senn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004e69b606020e3355" Message-ID-Hash: UZN7PQRU4RJJQKMQ42YCAIHSLGKU6DOS X-Message-ID-Hash: UZN7PQRU4RJJQKMQ42YCAIHSLGKU6DOS X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: emacs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000004e69b606020e3355 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://wiki.c2.com/?TecoEditor Cantrell=E2=80=99s teco was pretty fast and used a lot less resources than = any of the Unix EMACS invocations. Gosling / CMU EMACS showed up in 81 on the Vax and is where mocklisp came from. Zimmerman EMACS may have been earlier at MIT but Steve sold it to CCA so it was not nearly as widespread. Noel may know more. We got a license from CCA in =E2=80=9884 and shipped it on the M= asscomp systems. Rms did like a number things gosling did and start to rewrite it. (The defaults were different from ITS was one of his issues). He released his version around 85. FWIW: There is still some bad blood wrt to that whole path best I can tell. I think there were a couple of others. On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:04 PM Will Senn wrote: > As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about emacs, > but lately I've been using it more (as it seems like any self-respecting > lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with it). I recently > went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that exploration, I > used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's first incarnation a= s > a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like EMACS. I won't bore you > with the details - imagine lots of control and escape sequences, many of > which are the same today as then. This was late 70's stuff. > > My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was it a > full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of some > other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix? > > > Will > --=20 Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --0000000000004e69b606020e3355 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Cantrell=E2= =80=99s teco was pretty fast and used a lot less resources than any of the = Unix EMACS invocations.=C2=A0 Gosling / CMU EMACS showed up in 81 on the Va= x and is where mocklisp came from. =C2=A0 Zimmerman EMACS may have been ear= lier at MIT but Steve sold it to CCA so it was not nearly as widespread. No= el may know more. We got a license from CCA in =E2=80=9884 and shipped it o= n the Masscomp systems. =C2=A0=C2=A0

Rms did like a number things gosling did and start to rewrite = it. =C2=A0(The defaults were different from ITS was one of his issues). He = released his version around 85. FWIW: =C2=A0 There is still some bad blood = wrt to that whole path best I can tell. =C2=A0=C2=A0

I think there were a couple of others.=C2=A0

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:04 PM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
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As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about emacs, but lately I= 9;ve been using it more (as it seems like any self-respecting lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with it). I recently went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that exploration, I used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's first incarnation as a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like EMACS. I won't bore you with the details - imagine lots of control and escape sequences, many of which are the same today as then. This was late 70's stuff.

My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was it a full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of some other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix?


Will
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